[Bismark-devel] incorporating openflow

[Bismark-devel] incorporating openflow

[Dave Taht]

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3) What is the need for openflow? I am meeting with the folk at stanford at
2PM PDT and although I get what openflow is for, I'm not sure of the
intended use. Is it needed for capetown?


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Re: [Bismark-devel] incorporating openflow

[Srikanth Sundaresan]

It's not required for capetown. It's for future research projects.


On 05/04/2011 11:33 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
> 3) What is the need for openflow? I am meeting with the folk at stanford
> at 2PM PDT and although I get what openflow is for, I'm not sure of the
> intended use. Is it needed for capetown?
> 
> 
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> Dave Täht
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> 
> 
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Re: [Bismark-devel] incorporating openflow

[Nick Feamster]

As Srikanth said, not needed for capetown.

Some possibilities we've been thinking about using it for:

* enforcing per-user or per-device usage caps (in capped settings)
* rate-limiting and QoS functionality
* remote management, troubleshooting, or security services.  See this, for example:
	http://www.gtnoise.net/papers/2010/feamster:homenets2010.pdf

I'd love to get this into the build sometime soon-ish, so I could encourage people to use it in my class this coming fall. :-)

-Nick


On May 4, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Dave Taht wrote:

> 3) What is the need for openflow? I am meeting with the folk at stanford at 2PM PDT and although I get what openflow is for, I'm not sure of the intended use. Is it needed for capetown?
> 
> 
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Re: [Bismark-devel] incorporating openflow

[Dave Taht]

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I'll try to get it in the build, but not install it by default, and it looks
very invasive, so.....

trying a building it now.

Any other tools to build that MIGHT be useful as extra packages to maybe
install in the field?

go through

scripts/feeds list | less

For example in iscwrt we're fiddling with a sip server and daap... (in
addition to bind9 with dnssec support, which isn't ready for prime time yet)

Want to "freeze" by monday.

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu>wrote:

> As Srikanth said, not needed for capetown.
>
> Some possibilities we've been thinking about using it for:
>
> * enforcing per-user or per-device usage caps (in capped settings)
> * rate-limiting and QoS functionality
> * remote management, troubleshooting, or security services.  See this, for
> example:
>        http://www.gtnoise.net/papers/2010/feamster:homenets2010.pdf
>
> I'd love to get this into the build sometime soon-ish, so I could encourage
> people to use it in my class this coming fall. :-)
>
> -Nick
>
>
> On May 4, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
>
> > 3) What is the need for openflow? I am meeting with the folk at stanford
> at 2PM PDT and although I get what openflow is for, I'm not sure of the
> intended use. Is it needed for capetown?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dave Täht
> > SKYPE: davetaht
> > US Tel: 1-239-829-5608
> > http://the-edge.blogspot.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bismark-devel mailing list
> > Bismark-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bismark-devel
>
>


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Re: [Bismark-devel] incorporating openflow

[Dave Taht]

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OK I compiled it. It built as a package.

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu>wrote:

> As Srikanth said, not needed for capetown.
>
> Some possibilities we've been thinking about using it for:
>
> * enforcing per-user or per-device usage caps (in capped settings)
>

In this particular case, using SFB on a per IP address basis may work.

(not that SFB is in the build)


> * rate-limiting and QoS functionality
>

I incorporated the QoS scripts which use tc and the hsfc QoS algorithm + SFQ
to do that job. It works well in iscwrt, in combination with a lowered
txqueue (to 16), I observed latencies peaking at 66ms on a DSL connection
that can't do better than 26ms. (vs over half a second)

(these are disabled by default (I think) as they will mess up your
measurements)

But do try 'em out!

They seem pretty good on the outgoing interface. To do rate limitation on a
per user basis in conjunction with that I would think about SFB on the inner
interfaces.

So I'm back to wondering what to do, exactly, with openflow.

If you aren't already aware of the iscwrt subproject, see:

http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/iscwrt/wiki

One of the principal maintainers of bind (Evan Hunt) is hacking on it - even
running it now using the wndr3700v2 as his main router.

* remote management, troubleshooting, or security services.  See this, for
> example:
>        http://www.gtnoise.net/papers/2010/feamster:homenets2010.pdf
>
>
nagios + snmp are common for some of that.

I'll read the paper on the plane.


> I'd love to get this into the build sometime soon-ish, so I could encourage
> people to use it in my class this coming fall. :-)
>
> -Nick
>
>
> On May 4, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
>
> > 3) What is the need for openflow? I am meeting with the folk at stanford
> at 2PM PDT and although I get what openflow is for, I'm not sure of the
> intended use. Is it needed for capetown?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dave Täht
> > SKYPE: davetaht
> > US Tel: 1-239-829-5608
> > http://the-edge.blogspot.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bismark-devel mailing list
> > Bismark-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bismark-devel
>
>


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