* [Bismark-devel] Fwd: Bismark on M-Lab [not found] <BANLkTikO9v6z3g0sfbS_3d_B3aKDayZ0Xg@mail.gmail.com> @ 2011-05-25 23:01 ` Nick Feamster 2011-05-25 23:23 ` Dave Taht 2011-05-26 9:34 ` Walter de Donato 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Nick Feamster @ 2011-05-25 23:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bismark-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1488 bytes --] Please comment ... thoughts? Begin forwarded message: > From: Meredith Whittaker <meredithrachel@google.com> > Date: May 25, 2011 11:39:59 PM GMT+02:00 > To: Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu> > Subject: Bismark on M-Lab > > Hi Nick, all, > > I wanted to close the loop on a few next steps for getting Bismark up, running and known on M-Lab. > We're ready when you are to post an announcement about the tool on this site. > This should be done when you begin accepting sign-ups for the router, and can stay there, soft-launched, until you're prepared for the sign-ups PR would generate. We will send you or draft for the text of the page within a day or two. > Whenever you're ready, I can put you in touch with the people who run the data pipeline, which will result in your getting the BisMark data off the M-Lab servers and in to Google Storage. You can work with them on data structure, etc.. > Here's a link to the Public Data Explorer blog post, announcing their new API for data upload. This should give you a cursory idea of what would be involved in getting the analyzed BisMark data properly structured and visualized. > My apologies for the delayed communication. I'm happy to answer any questions, and coordinate with you more closely on getting PR off the ground to coincide with your ability to quickly ship routers :) > > Thanks! > Meredith > > -- > Meredith Whittaker > Program Manager, Google NYC > (917) 568-1666 > > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3003 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bismark-devel] Fwd: Bismark on M-Lab 2011-05-25 23:01 ` [Bismark-devel] Fwd: Bismark on M-Lab Nick Feamster @ 2011-05-25 23:23 ` Dave Taht 2011-05-25 23:30 ` Nick Feamster 2011-05-26 9:34 ` Walter de Donato 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2011-05-25 23:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nick Feamster; +Cc: bismark-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2411 bytes --] I would very much like it to stay below the radar for a while as we sort various bits of infrastructure out. This includes the vpn issue, the ditg issue, the possible dhcp bug, and getting the database and website actually working well enough to withstand the onslaught of real users. And for me to get caught up on sleep. Limit this to < the original 40 planned? On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu>wrote: > Please comment ... thoughts? > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Meredith Whittaker <meredithrachel@google.com> > *Date: *May 25, 2011 11:39:59 PM GMT+02:00 > *To: *Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu> > *Subject: **Bismark on M-Lab* > > Hi Nick, all, > > I wanted to close the loop on a few next steps for getting Bismark up, > running and known on M-Lab. > > 1. We're ready when you are to post an announcement about the tool on > this site. > This should be done when you begin accepting sign-ups for the router, > and can stay there, soft-launched, until you're prepared for the sign-ups PR > would generate. We will send you or draft for the text of the page within a > day or two. > 2. Whenever you're ready, I can put you in touch with the people who > run the data pipeline, which will result in your getting the BisMark data > off the M-Lab servers and in to Google Storage. You can work with them on > data structure, etc.. > 3. Here's a link > <http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/visualize-your-own-data-in-google.html>to > the Public Data Explorer blog post, announcing their new API for data > upload. This should give you a cursory idea of what would be involved in > getting the analyzed BisMark data properly structured and visualized. > > My apologies for the delayed communication. I'm happy to answer any > questions, and coordinate with you more closely on getting PR off the ground > to coincide with your ability to quickly ship routers :) > > Thanks! > Meredith > > -- > Meredith Whittaker > Program Manager, Google NYC > (917) 568-1666 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bismark-devel mailing list > Bismark-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bismark-devel > > -- Dave Täht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 http://the-edge.blogspot.com [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4019 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bismark-devel] Fwd: Bismark on M-Lab 2011-05-25 23:23 ` Dave Taht @ 2011-05-25 23:30 ` Nick Feamster 2011-05-25 23:34 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Nick Feamster @ 2011-05-25 23:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: bismark-devel What about a posting on the MLab site as "soft" publicity? As an aside, this may quickly generate more demand than we can support, both in terms of cost of routers and ability to maintain. I do wonder if it makes sense to set up a shell non-profit, through which we can take some donations, etc., or whether it makes sense to keep going the usual academic funding route. -Nick On May 26, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > I would very much like it to stay below the radar for a while as we sort various bits of infrastructure out. > > This includes the vpn issue, the ditg issue, the possible dhcp bug, and getting the database and website actually working well enough to withstand the onslaught of real users. > > And for me to get caught up on sleep. > > Limit this to < the original 40 planned? > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu> wrote: > Please comment ... thoughts? > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Meredith Whittaker <meredithrachel@google.com> >> Date: May 25, 2011 11:39:59 PM GMT+02:00 >> To: Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu> >> Subject: Bismark on M-Lab >> >> Hi Nick, all, >> >> I wanted to close the loop on a few next steps for getting Bismark up, running and known on M-Lab. >> • We're ready when you are to post an announcement about the tool on this site. >> This should be done when you begin accepting sign-ups for the router, and can stay there, soft-launched, until you're prepared for the sign-ups PR would generate. We will send you or draft for the text of the page within a day or two. >> • Whenever you're ready, I can put you in touch with the people who run the data pipeline, which will result in your getting the BisMark data off the M-Lab servers and in to Google Storage. You can work with them on data structure, etc.. >> • Here's a link to the Public Data Explorer blog post, announcing their new API for data upload. This should give you a cursory idea of what would be involved in getting the analyzed BisMark data properly structured and visualized. >> My apologies for the delayed communication. I'm happy to answer any questions, and coordinate with you more closely on getting PR off the ground to coincide with your ability to quickly ship routers :) >> >> Thanks! >> Meredith >> >> -- >> Meredith Whittaker >> Program Manager, Google NYC >> (917) 568-1666 >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Bismark-devel mailing list > Bismark-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bismark-devel > > > > > -- > Dave Täht > SKYPE: davetaht > US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 > http://the-edge.blogspot.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bismark-devel] Fwd: Bismark on M-Lab 2011-05-25 23:30 ` Nick Feamster @ 2011-05-25 23:34 ` Dave Taht 2011-05-25 23:35 ` Nick Feamster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2011-05-25 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nick Feamster; +Cc: bismark-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3257 bytes --] When did the DSPL format become a requirement? Anonymizing the data somewhat and wedging into that format would be required to participate in the lastmost request.... On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu>wrote: > What about a posting on the MLab site as "soft" publicity? > > As an aside, this may quickly generate more demand than we can support, > both in terms of cost of routers and ability to maintain. I do wonder if it > makes sense to set up a shell non-profit, through which we can take some > donations, etc., or whether it makes sense to keep going the usual academic > funding route. > > -Nick > > On May 26, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > I would very much like it to stay below the radar for a while as we sort > various bits of infrastructure out. > > > > This includes the vpn issue, the ditg issue, the possible dhcp bug, and > getting the database and website actually working well enough to withstand > the onslaught of real users. > > > > And for me to get caught up on sleep. > > > > Limit this to < the original 40 planned? > > > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu> > wrote: > > Please comment ... thoughts? > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> From: Meredith Whittaker <meredithrachel@google.com> > >> Date: May 25, 2011 11:39:59 PM GMT+02:00 > >> To: Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu> > >> Subject: Bismark on M-Lab > >> > >> Hi Nick, all, > >> > >> I wanted to close the loop on a few next steps for getting Bismark up, > running and known on M-Lab. > >> • We're ready when you are to post an announcement about the tool > on this site. > >> This should be done when you begin accepting sign-ups for the router, > and can stay there, soft-launched, until you're prepared for the sign-ups PR > would generate. We will send you or draft for the text of the page within a > day or two. > >> • Whenever you're ready, I can put you in touch with the people who > run the data pipeline, which will result in your getting the BisMark data > off the M-Lab servers and in to Google Storage. You can work with them on > data structure, etc.. > >> • Here's a link to the Public Data Explorer blog post, announcing > their new API for data upload. This should give you a cursory idea of what > would be involved in getting the analyzed BisMark data properly structured > and visualized. > >> My apologies for the delayed communication. I'm happy to answer any > questions, and coordinate with you more closely on getting PR off the ground > to coincide with your ability to quickly ship routers :) > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Meredith > >> > >> -- > >> Meredith Whittaker > >> Program Manager, Google NYC > >> (917) 568-1666 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bismark-devel mailing list > > Bismark-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bismark-devel > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dave Täht > > SKYPE: davetaht > > US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 > > http://the-edge.blogspot.com > > -- Dave Täht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 http://the-edge.blogspot.com [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4480 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bismark-devel] Fwd: Bismark on M-Lab 2011-05-25 23:34 ` Dave Taht @ 2011-05-25 23:35 ` Nick Feamster 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Nick Feamster @ 2011-05-25 23:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: bismark-devel On May 26, 2011, at 1:34 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > When did the DSPL format become a requirement? > It hasn't ... yet. We'd have to decide if this makes sense (it might). > Anonymizing the data somewhat and wedging into that format would be required to participate in the lastmost request.... > Yep. > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu> wrote: > What about a posting on the MLab site as "soft" publicity? > > As an aside, this may quickly generate more demand than we can support, both in terms of cost of routers and ability to maintain. I do wonder if it makes sense to set up a shell non-profit, through which we can take some donations, etc., or whether it makes sense to keep going the usual academic funding route. > > -Nick > > On May 26, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > I would very much like it to stay below the radar for a while as we sort various bits of infrastructure out. > > > > This includes the vpn issue, the ditg issue, the possible dhcp bug, and getting the database and website actually working well enough to withstand the onslaught of real users. > > > > And for me to get caught up on sleep. > > > > Limit this to < the original 40 planned? > > > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu> wrote: > > Please comment ... thoughts? > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> From: Meredith Whittaker <meredithrachel@google.com> > >> Date: May 25, 2011 11:39:59 PM GMT+02:00 > >> To: Nick Feamster <feamster@cc.gatech.edu> > >> Subject: Bismark on M-Lab > >> > >> Hi Nick, all, > >> > >> I wanted to close the loop on a few next steps for getting Bismark up, running and known on M-Lab. > >> • We're ready when you are to post an announcement about the tool on this site. > >> This should be done when you begin accepting sign-ups for the router, and can stay there, soft-launched, until you're prepared for the sign-ups PR would generate. We will send you or draft for the text of the page within a day or two. > >> • Whenever you're ready, I can put you in touch with the people who run the data pipeline, which will result in your getting the BisMark data off the M-Lab servers and in to Google Storage. You can work with them on data structure, etc.. > >> • Here's a link to the Public Data Explorer blog post, announcing their new API for data upload. This should give you a cursory idea of what would be involved in getting the analyzed BisMark data properly structured and visualized. > >> My apologies for the delayed communication. I'm happy to answer any questions, and coordinate with you more closely on getting PR off the ground to coincide with your ability to quickly ship routers :) > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Meredith > >> > >> -- > >> Meredith Whittaker > >> Program Manager, Google NYC > >> (917) 568-1666 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bismark-devel mailing list > > Bismark-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bismark-devel > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dave Täht > > SKYPE: davetaht > > US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 > > http://the-edge.blogspot.com > > > > > -- > Dave Täht > SKYPE: davetaht > US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 > http://the-edge.blogspot.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bismark-devel] Fwd: Bismark on M-Lab 2011-05-25 23:01 ` [Bismark-devel] Fwd: Bismark on M-Lab Nick Feamster 2011-05-25 23:23 ` Dave Taht @ 2011-05-26 9:34 ` Walter de Donato 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Walter de Donato @ 2011-05-26 9:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nick Feamster; +Cc: bismark-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1131 bytes --] Some comments about the following two points: > > 1. Whenever you're ready, I can put you in touch with the people who > run the data pipeline, which will result in your getting the BisMark data > off the M-Lab servers and in to Google Storage. You can work with them on > data structure, etc.. > 2. Here's a link > <http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/visualize-your-own-data-in-google.html>to > the Public Data Explorer blog post, announcing their new API for data > upload. This should give you a cursory idea of what would be involved in > getting the analyzed BisMark data properly structured and visualized. > > We don't currently store any kind of data no the measurement servers. Do we plan to change this? If that's the cast we won't need to transfer data from MLab Servers to Google Storage. Probably the upload will be necessary from the management servers to Google Storage. I agree with Dave about staying below the radars until we solve some of the cited issues. When we have some time to do some reasoning again, I'd like to talk to Dave about the VPN usage he has in mind. -Walter [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1585 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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