From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-33-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-102-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.102]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8AA2E0271 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scan-32-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-32-ewr.local [10.0.141.238]) by mail-33-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867636F7EEB for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:45:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 130.207.165.163 Received: from deliverator3.gatech.edu (deliverator3.gatech.edu [130.207.165.163]) by mail-33-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498E16F6BBF for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deliverator3.gatech.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D0B415560F for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.gatech.edu (mail5.gatech.edu [130.207.185.165]) by deliverator3.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A42839C0FB for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [143.215.129.202] (galapagos.cc.gt.atl.ga.us [143.215.129.202]) (Authenticated sender: ssundaresan3) by mail5.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6FDDB1FFC2 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4D7FB356.2000407@gatech.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:43:34 -0400 From: Srikanth Sundaresan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100713 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bismark-users@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <87y64gfco1.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> In-Reply-To: <87y64gfco1.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Bismark-users] coping with conflicts X-BeenThere: bismark-users@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:45:52 -0000 It seems to me that they can coexist; to study the impact of the changes, we do need to know the existing ground truth, no? - Srikanth On 03/15/2011 02:42 PM, Dave Täht wrote: > > > I have some conflicts that I would like to clearly resolve as we ramp > up. > > 1) The bufferbloat project is trying to fix the internet > 2) you are trying to study the internet as it exists > > While some of the bufferbloat fixes in the pipeline will de-heisenberg your > measurements, the two ideas do conflict somewhat as does your schedule > vs ours. > > The wndr3700, which 6+ people have now, is looking to become a focus of > our efforts for item 1, and may ultimately become a model for the > "perfect router". (Although I would bet on the upcoming 32MB flash stuff > coming out later this year as a better model) >