From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-33-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-039-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.39]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8E52E06D6 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scan-31-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-31-ewr.local [10.0.141.237]) by mail-33-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144CE6F8774 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:02:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 75.145.127.229 Received: from gw.co.teklibre.org (75-145-127-229-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.145.127.229]) by mail-33-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCD56F873C for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruithne.co.teklibre.org (unknown [IPv6:2002:4b91:7fe5:1::20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cruithne.co.teklibre.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (verified OK)) by gw.co.teklibre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9F095EACC for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by cruithne.co.teklibre.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DDF2012085C; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:02:42 -0600 (MDT) From: d@taht.net (Dave =?utf-8?Q?T=C3=A4ht?=) To: Nick Feamster Organization: Teklibre - http://www.teklibre.com References: <87y64gfco1.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <4D7FB356.2000407@gatech.edu> <87tyf4fc42.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <587F76A9-5EED-4D3D-B339-DE3979F50853@cc.gatech.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:02:42 -0600 In-Reply-To: <587F76A9-5EED-4D3D-B339-DE3979F50853@cc.gatech.edu> (Nick Feamster's message of "Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:58:27 -0400") Message-ID: <87pqpsfbql.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bismark-users@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bismark-users] coping with conflicts X-BeenThere: bismark-users@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:02:48 -0000 One of the things in the upcoming writing queue is a string of articles for the ACM, case studies. Would you be interested in that?=20 Are there other publication targets? Nick Feamster writes: > I think we are both interested in: > > - measuring the current state of affairs (as a baseline) > - designing techniques to try to improve latencies/problems > - measuring how well respective techniques improve latencies/problems > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Dave T=C3=A4ht wrote: > >> Nick Feamster writes: >>=20 >>> I agree. >>=20 >> To what? :) >>=20 >> Would you consider your existing study "ground truth" and the upcoming >> one "revealed truth"? >>=20 >> When I talked to de-heisenberging below, the goal would be to eliminate >> or at least compensate/understand the factors introduced by the >> measurement box. >>=20 >> Measuring cable modem and DSL latencies/problems and the internet >> itself, remain a goal, but, for example, the end-user experience of >> using the box itself with some/much of the new stuff is important to >> us.=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Srikanth Sundaresan wrote: >>>=20 >>>> It seems to me that they can coexist; to study the impact of the >>>> changes, we do need to know the existing ground truth, no? >>>>=20 >>>> - Srikanth >>>>=20 >>>> On 03/15/2011 02:42 PM, Dave T=C3=A4ht wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> I have some conflicts that I would like to clearly resolve as we ramp >>>>> up. >>>>>=20 >>>>> 1) The bufferbloat project is trying to fix the internet >>>>> 2) you are trying to study the internet as it exists >>>>>=20 >>>>> While some of the bufferbloat fixes in the pipeline will de-heisenber= g your >>>>> measurements, the two ideas do conflict somewhat as does your schedule >>>>> vs ours.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> The wndr3700, which 6+ people have now, is looking to become a focus = of >>>>> our efforts for item 1, and may ultimately become a model for the >>>>> "perfect router". (Although I would bet on the upcoming 32MB flash st= uff >>>>> coming out later this year as a better model) >>>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Bismark-users mailing list >>>> Bismark-users@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bismark-users >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bismark-users mailing list >>> Bismark-users@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bismark-users >>=20 >> --=20 >> Dave Taht >> http://nex-6.taht.net > --=20 Dave Taht http://nex-6.taht.net