From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-14-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-136-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.136]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36B92E0392 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scan-11-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-11-ewr.local [10.0.141.229]) by mail-14-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5029C9CCDEF for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:54:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 75.145.127.229 Received: from gw.co.teklibre.org (75-145-127-229-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.145.127.229]) by mail-14-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4029CCD0D for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruithne.co.teklibre.org (unknown [IPv6:2002:4b91:7fe5:1::20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cruithne.co.teklibre.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (verified OK)) by gw.co.teklibre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BB3C5EA31 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:54:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by cruithne.co.teklibre.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2CDAB12085C; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:54:37 -0600 (MDT) From: d@taht.net (Dave =?utf-8?Q?T=C3=A4ht?=) To: Nick Feamster Organization: Teklibre - http://www.teklibre.com References: <87y64gfco1.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <4D7FB356.2000407@gatech.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:54:37 -0600 In-Reply-To: (Nick Feamster's message of "Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:47:42 -0400") Message-ID: <87tyf4fc42.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bismark-users@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bismark-users] coping with conflicts X-BeenThere: bismark-users@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:54:44 -0000 Nick Feamster writes: > I agree. To what? :) Would you consider your existing study "ground truth" and the upcoming one "revealed truth"? When I talked to de-heisenberging below, the goal would be to eliminate or at least compensate/understand the factors introduced by the measurement box. Measuring cable modem and DSL latencies/problems and the internet itself, remain a goal, but, for example, the end-user experience of using the box itself with some/much of the new stuff is important to us.=20 > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Srikanth Sundaresan wrote: > >> It seems to me that they can coexist; to study the impact of the >> changes, we do need to know the existing ground truth, no? >>=20 >> - Srikanth >>=20 >> On 03/15/2011 02:42 PM, Dave T=C3=A4ht wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I have some conflicts that I would like to clearly resolve as we ramp >>> up. >>>=20 >>> 1) The bufferbloat project is trying to fix the internet >>> 2) you are trying to study the internet as it exists >>>=20 >>> While some of the bufferbloat fixes in the pipeline will de-heisenberg = your >>> measurements, the two ideas do conflict somewhat as does your schedule >>> vs ours.=20 >>>=20 >>> The wndr3700, which 6+ people have now, is looking to become a focus of >>> our efforts for item 1, and may ultimately become a model for the >>> "perfect router". (Although I would bet on the upcoming 32MB flash stuff >>> coming out later this year as a better model) >>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bismark-users mailing list >> Bismark-users@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bismark-users > > _______________________________________________ > Bismark-users mailing list > Bismark-users@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bismark-users --=20 Dave Taht http://nex-6.taht.net