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Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: debloat-testing kernel git tree
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> For wireless routers and cable home gateways especially, this research
> shows that the total un-managed buffers in your system should be less
> than 32.

Would it be a good thing to start describing these queues not so much in
terms of packets but in terms of delay (or bandwidth X delay)?

Constants tend to live longer than they should, no matter how noble in
birth.

rick jones