From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp121.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp121.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EEFB21F11C; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp42.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1D66A148B4F; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:11:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: from legacy3.wa-web.iad1a (legacy3.wa-web.iad1a.rsapps.net [192.168.2.219]) by smtp42.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EC206148AEA; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from reed.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by legacy3.wa-web.iad1a (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FDF21680AC; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@reed.com, from: dpreed@reed.com) with HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:11:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Network tests as discussed in Washington, DC From: dpreed@reed.com To: "Michael Richardson" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain In-Reply-To: <12051.1352678335@obiwan.sandelman.ca> References: <12051.1352678335@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Message-ID: <1352772672.88731675@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail7.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:31:29 -0800 Cc: bloat-devel , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat X-BeenThere: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers working on AQM, device drivers, and networking stacks" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:11:14 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:11:12 -0500 (EST) X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:11:14 -0000 I personally am happy that Henning Schulzrinne is pushing for this. Howeve= r, it should be remembered that the Commissioners rule the day at the FCC. = I hope he doesn't suffer what the Spectrum Policy Task Force at the FCC su= ffered when I was one of the many people who was involved. Let's just say = a lot of staffers at the FCC were forced to leave because they dared to foc= us on technology "third rails".=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: "Mi= chael Richardson" =0ASent: Sunday, November 11, 2012= 6:58pm=0ATo: "Dave Taht" =0ACc: "bloat-devel" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, "bloat" = =0ASubject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Network tests = as discussed in Washington, DC=0A=0A_______________________________________= ________=0ACerowrt-devel mailing list=0ACerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net= =0Ahttps://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel=0A=0ARe: FCC.=0AThe= IETF IAB plenary last Wednesday had a presenter from the FCC,=0Awho claime= d to care about latency in response to my question.=0A=0AI don't claim it's= a good use of your time to listen to these, but=0Aprobably having the link= s in the archive is useful.=0A=0Ahttp://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/= slides-85-iesg-opsandtech-6=0Ahttp://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/sli= des-85-iesg-opsandtech-7=0Ahttp://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides= -85-iesg-opsandtech-8=0A=0Ahttp://ietf85.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Record= ed_Sessions=0Ahttp://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/Recordings/watch.jsp?reco= rding=3DIETF85_PLENARY&chapter=3Dpart_11=0A=0A5. Technical Topic: Measureme= nt Issues in the Internet=0A=0A Moderator: Alissa Cooper=0A Speakers: = Sam Crawford and Henning Schulzrinne=0A=0A Although network performance = measurement has been a topic of research,=0A standardization, and develop= ment for decades, recent efforts to create=0A national, regional, and glo= bal access network measurement testbeds and=0A frameworks are drawing ren= ewed interest. These efforts seek to provide=0A consistent measurements = of fine-grained performance metrics such as=0A packet loss, delay, and th= roughput, as well as higher order tests to=0A capture quality of experien= ce with respect to specific applications and=0A services. Some standardi= zed metrics and tests exist, including those=0A developed in the IPPM WG,= but a unified framework for observing and=0A reporting the quality metri= cs that define users experiences across=0A different networks has yet to = be developed. This plenary will examine=0A the implications of large-sca= le network performance measurement for the=0A Internet by exploring the a= pproaches, results, and challenges involved=0A with measurement efforts f= rom around the world.=0A-- =0AMichael Richardson , S= andelman Software Works =0A=0A=0A