From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-03-iad.dyndns.com (mxout-131-iad.mailhop.org [216.146.32.131]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6292E0403 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-01-iad.mailhop.org (scan-01-iad.local [10.150.0.206]) by mail-03-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF2B8332DA for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:30:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 70.61.120.58 Received: from smtp.tuxdriver.com (charlotte.tuxdriver.com [70.61.120.58]) by mail-03-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EA58332D5 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from uucp by smtp.tuxdriver.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PvDIN-00042A-IU; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:30:39 -0500 Received: from linville-8530p.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by linville-8530p.local (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p23IJpHk012676; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:19:51 -0500 Received: (from linville@localhost) by linville-8530p.local (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p23IJoXs012674; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:19:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:19:50 -0500 From: "John W. Linville" To: Rick Jones Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: debloat-testing kernel git tree Message-ID: <20110303181950.GD8969@tuxdriver.com> References: <20110225222210.GA3618@tuxdriver.com> <87fwr9jxya.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <8739n9ii7z.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <87tyfph2az.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <1299176168.2157.14.camel@tardy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1299176168.2157.14.camel@tardy> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sedat.dilek@gmail.com X-BeenThere: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers working on AQM, device drivers, and networking stacks" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:31:37 -0000 On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 10:16:08AM -0800, Rick Jones wrote: > > For wireless routers and cable home gateways especially, this research > > shows that the total un-managed buffers in your system should be less > > than 32. > > Would it be a good thing to start describing these queues not so much in > terms of packets but in terms of delay (or bandwidth X delay)? > > Constants tend to live longer than they should, no matter how noble in > birth. Yes, it probably would -- that would be more meaningful between different technologies and/or for technologies that might have variable latencies due to shared media or whatnot. Now, the question becomes what patches to propose to make that happen... :-) John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready.