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From: Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: bloat-devel <bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: hardware hacking on fq_codel in FPGA form at 10GigE
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 02:32:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121220103213.4ABAD800037@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> of "Thu, 20 Dec 2012 04:26:37 EST." <CAA93jw7Hr3fiVf3n9u4f6s4HHaBjzcbFN558On+fBcJ9WGYusg@mail.gmail.com>


dave.taht@gmail.com said:
>> If I was going to do something like that, I'd build a small/simple CPU
>> the work in microcode.

> There are two ppc 440 cpus already onboard the 10GigE device, I think. It's
> a REALLY NICE fpga. 

> I'd also looked at the octeon and the latest arm chipset from TI which I
> can't remember the codename for at the moment... 

I wasn't thinking of a traditional general purpose CPU but rather something 
special for this problem.



>> How many lines of assembler code would it take?

> I could do a dump of the current code into any given assembly language. It's
> not a lot, but there are a lot of out of band functions.

I didn't mean lines of traditional assembly code.  If we want to pursue this, 
pick a chunk of c code (not too big) and break it into "lines" where 
everything on a line can be executed at the same time.  I'll try to sketch a 
"CPU" and write the microcode.


> The enqueue and dequeue algorithms are entirely decoupled, with the
> exception of this error handling phase of (out of queue space) One thought
> would be to track packet count on enqueue (this is more "sfq"-like than
> fq_codel-like) which still has a tiny lock... 

Stuff that can be reasonably done in the driver should probably be done there 
if it saves a lot of work for the microcode.  Avoiding out-of-queue-space 
might be a good example.



> Well there are a few things that would benefit from moving directly into
> hardware - the 5 tuple hash, for example. 

I'm probably missing the big picture.  Are you building a router or a server?

A server has socket control blocks.  Can the hash be precomputed and stored 
there?
That doesn't help with UDP sendto, but I think it would work with TCP.


If you are building a router, does the routing as well as fq-ing have to fit 
in the FPGA?


-- 
These are my opinions.  I hate spam.




  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-20 10:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <dave.taht@gmail.com>
2012-12-20  7:28 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-20  8:17   ` Hal Murray
2012-12-20  8:27     ` Jonathan Morton
2012-12-20  9:51       ` Hal Murray
2012-12-20  9:13     ` Dave Taht
2012-12-20  9:26       ` Dave Taht
2012-12-20 10:32         ` Hal Murray [this message]
2012-12-20 13:53           ` [Cerowrt-devel] " dpreed
2012-12-20 14:18             ` Dave Taht
2012-12-20 15:05               ` Dave Taht
2012-12-21 12:34                 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-21 17:48                   ` dpreed
2012-12-21 18:14                     ` Jim Gettys
2012-12-21 18:25                       ` dpreed
2012-12-21 18:45                         ` Jim Gettys
2012-12-21 19:34                           ` dpreed
2012-12-21 19:42                             ` Jim Gettys
2012-12-21 21:54                           ` [Codel] " David Woodhouse
2012-12-21 21:56                             ` John Crispin
2012-12-21 22:08                               ` David Woodhouse

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