From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vw0-f43.google.com (mail-vw0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DE10200034 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so1717108vws.16 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:48:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:organization :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HmaE7ylZ+2V+ngFYLDfr/0tLwoBlYqMyAeE4OTRfFrg=; b=oJjHHJAZxd/coC32np9nQWpZyJvvd2Bc523fpNOmcMcsRUlhDDnLH2vBFII8oTT4AW 59PMl+E6QJCL36h5E7uSEt7X0FvcGcGqSSr3W55AP1WkXw7X5U/xQqu7zwIs4rCQrKIL xxPOzYjGFM13qaAOhVX8m0lW35XuvfP9oAS14= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Q49V2II+YJJjIofOtuWnL95ClrV8iIo1BtlYn/dfQVkXfw7VeMxrox0U5blt8h2CI3 dZOdbUgzC/a6bNzphmBps7o+YSad225+g0i6hu6lsyTQB7Ux+I7FzKJi4MgQdB6FZEQ3 hGVRyCnDgItHkao8cQOrirhWuAx0xpeV/IhHk= Received: by 10.52.73.196 with SMTP id n4mr2154716vdv.39.1308797312456; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.108] (c-24-218-177-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.218.177.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l31sm665161vbr.23.2011.06.22.19.48.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <4E02A97D.8010007@freedesktop.org> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:48:29 -0400 From: Jim Gettys Organization: Bell Labs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: QoS for system critical packets on wireless References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers working on AQM, device drivers, and networking stacks" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:21:14 -0000 On 06/22/2011 11:17 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > The biggest fallout of the diffserv work I was trying was observing > that most packets fell into one of 3 buckets: > > 1) System control and 'MICE' are< less than 1% of all packets. Mice > includes a bunch of messages like ARP, NTP, UDP, and most of the icmp6 > portion of the stack, in what I'm doing currently. Mice are > desperately needed for the network to continue to function. I'd not use this term: please call it something else. Van and Kathy have talked about HTTP "mice" and "elephant" TCP flows for a long time, and you'll terminally confuse everyone if you call these items "mice". - Jim