From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vw0-f43.google.com (mail-vw0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EF35200034 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so2041414vws.16 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:35:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:organization :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EV8Qx97+rl820hQPYXDATUxi2HfKDHIm85/hCGnfERw=; b=UeniXZIb+1iclnvg2myjzmnZQPyJYonYT9shx3/I5Hz3C/HoFDSqZSLFzEEQQoTeOY tqOE7pxFUzHTVP+cJYferzImYhQwI7h+J34jLCDFVZYQOaiIpSLXRF/jJnwyfCXWCigr Ke8D8kyfM76TAlmpu3QLRTqv98zU51zDwJorM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=vtq48qQBlEyztgb65OTVjE0Xzk1Et9EjV4KpyYd2NTmQ1ceIiUzcDi+IRnTiGWlnd0 iJntjPIGnHloBj4Xvxe98dNv0R7K0cS6T/nF5rnfY44cJYZpNTCUYWMaIj6AzXE/OzWA fk/3zKrLBkNoEHvg+LnJniPRn/ZogT1e3Pgi8= Received: by 10.52.92.69 with SMTP id ck5mr2533475vdb.35.1308828948609; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.108] (c-24-218-177-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.218.177.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o9sm782419vbz.21.2011.06.23.04.35.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <4E032511.7020508@freedesktop.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:35:45 -0400 From: Jim Gettys Organization: Bell Labs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Taht Subject: Re: QoS for system critical packets on wireless References: <4E02A97D.8010007@freedesktop.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-BeenThere: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers working on AQM, device drivers, and networking stacks" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:08:20 -0000 On 06/22/2011 11:00 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: >> On 06/22/2011 11:17 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >>> The biggest fallout of the diffserv work I was trying was observing >>> that most packets fell into one of 3 buckets: >>> >>> 1) System control and 'MICE' are< less than 1% of all packets. Mice >>> includes a bunch of messages like ARP, NTP, UDP, and most of the icmp6 >>> portion of the stack, in what I'm doing currently. Mice are >>> desperately needed for the network to continue to function. >> I'd not use this term: please call it something else. >> >> Van and Kathy have talked about HTTP "mice" and "elephant" TCP flows for a >> long time, and you'll terminally confuse everyone if you call these items >> "mice". > I totally agree that overloading 'mice' is the wrong thing to do. mice > is a very useful category defined as 'short tcp streams', and well > discussed that way in the existing TCP literature. > > I think I've settled on ANT, but lack a suitable backronym. Ants do > useful stuff, taking care of cleaning up and organizing the universe. > They are orderly, and hard to see, > and can lift enormous things despite their size. > Given my radio background I dislike it because it's short for antenna, > but 'bee is confusing, and hard to spell, bird is the name of a > routing daemon, and I'm plumb out of ideas lacking other analogies... > > I like Bees, myself. They pollinate everything (a good analogy to what DNS, DHCP, et. al. do). - Jim >> - Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat-devel mailing list >> Bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat-devel >> > >