From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from g6t0184.atlanta.hp.com (g6t0184.atlanta.hp.com [15.193.32.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.hp.com", Issuer "VeriSign Class 3 Secure Server CA - G3" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D725E200669 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g5t0030.atlanta.hp.com (g5t0030.atlanta.hp.com [16.228.8.142]) by g6t0184.atlanta.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D66C06E; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [16.89.244.213] (tardy.cup.hp.com [16.89.244.213]) by g5t0030.atlanta.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFA51413F; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E7B6D48.2040205@hp.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:15:52 -0700 From: Rick Jones User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.21) Gecko/20110831 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Taht Subject: Re: Preliminary results of using GPS to look for clock skew References: <20110921230205.2275820C2E5@snark.thyrsus.com> <20110922021137.GB21302@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, Eric Raymond , bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-BeenThere: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers working on AQM, device drivers, and networking stacks" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:15:55 -0000 > > One thing that surprised me of late is http://www.bufferbloat.net/issues/271 > > while not related, surprises are the last thing we need as regards to time. > The decision to stop letting networking contribute to entropy goes back a few years actually :) In another context, also where running-out of entropy was a problem, someone mentioned there are RNGs on USB keys that can be used to provide randomness/entropy/whatnot. The one mentioned in that discussion was the "Entropy Key" from these folks: http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ rick jones