From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com (mail-iy0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E405F200034 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iyi12 with SMTP id 12so1867754iyi.16 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:00:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ga8NWZ/iihaKNHytEGGIG5ON8F+VfjY+n8XCutJ844M=; b=EAIe3ID/HVO3YbKAeCDE0JFGG54xbFuUpEdjRTX785fy19T72UynNug7lJ6hErZaVV /apnW63pp8jC3NQ0r56TRG3ftaUWyHlBj1/qieoAdn8wUHtSbzh/22oKKYLD9A98t2pB 6enVfr88UgsW1AmUdF6dbI2PClX9oXYlYoS1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=a+xSidSgH/7QaPotVKH471tUDFEhwlyfBb+8CoNri0Ex7wWdt4Yo0mJEVIYvkY7EPs Z532EkLy5t5dsK9//azgLmNMtVGrpuUgNUc1YWI0pRXyuYs6wQJPFJ6AE4LOUS6CiNpp YJuSzNwtEaOFSrI46lK7NLkpme/Py2CPuvYc8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.119.209 with SMTP id a17mr1207865ibr.88.1308798020417; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.13.76 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:00:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E02A97D.8010007@freedesktop.org> References: <4E02A97D.8010007@freedesktop.org> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:00:20 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: QoS for system critical packets on wireless From: Dave Taht To: Jim Gettys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-BeenThere: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers working on AQM, device drivers, and networking stacks" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:33:02 -0000 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: > On 06/22/2011 11:17 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> The biggest fallout of the diffserv work I was trying was observing >> that most packets fell into one of 3 buckets: >> >> 1) System control and 'MICE' are< =A0less than 1% of all packets. Mice >> includes a bunch of messages like ARP, NTP, UDP, and most of the icmp6 >> portion of the stack, in what I'm doing currently. Mice are >> desperately needed for the network to continue to function. > > I'd not use this term: please call it something else. > > Van and Kathy have talked about HTTP "mice" and "elephant" TCP flows for = a > long time, and you'll terminally confuse everyone if you call these items > "mice". I totally agree that overloading 'mice' is the wrong thing to do. mice is a very useful category defined as 'short tcp streams', and well discussed that way in the existing TCP literature. I think I've settled on ANT, but lack a suitable backronym. Ants do useful stuff, taking care of cleaning up and organizing the universe. They are orderly, and hard to see, and can lift enormous things despite their size. Given my radio background I dislike it because it's short for antenna, but 'bee is confusing, and hard to spell, bird is the name of a routing daemon, and I'm plumb out of ideas lacking other analogies... > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0- Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat-devel mailing list > Bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat-devel > --=20 Dave T=E4ht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 http://the-edge.blogspot.com