From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com (mail-iw0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD5F9200034 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so2327702iwn.16 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:32:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Wj3BHTFOApnc1ZK3G7qHIfLuWrWWOYLo72oI6jmGljA=; b=j0MATnpKhT96omEKQ3Q5/tRuG7iyb3LR9FeeCoJuGLCP7a/4yLrUgAeAZB0/NTweyA m4rWOODqJakeaT8L69V5mjZqnAcTxh+TAhwAO/oJ5O9UXrSnxRFyziLXWgNPEk/V5hyl jTLY8obH0kD7+acFY0YOS8zHGTHzp6FKfImkk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TB7a3Tr9mVCmtJIaZo6HAowF+dfSISbxij5e3kZ5inHraM2serY9wOcmfyjGxaCwNA lqyYLyAheD4JrEr1ZseYp5EMSLcb1WV5eVpuJx0FOjSaebu3HbuXJkgQKJewuXpl4lTP l89zqcfTRAEqoVATXFbYZZRlEuf3Xy0JjxHKQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.119.209 with SMTP id a17mr1619462ibr.88.1308832333337; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.13.76 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:32:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E032511.7020508@freedesktop.org> References: <4E02A97D.8010007@freedesktop.org> <4E032511.7020508@freedesktop.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:32:13 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: QoS for system critical packets on wireless From: Dave Taht To: Jim Gettys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-BeenThere: bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers working on AQM, device drivers, and networking stacks" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:04:43 -0000 On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Jim Gettys wrote: > On 06/22/2011 11:00 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Jim Gettys =A0wrote= : >>> >>> On 06/22/2011 11:17 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >>>> >>>> The biggest fallout of the diffserv work I was trying was observing >>>> that most packets fell into one of 3 buckets: >>>> >>>> 1) System control and 'MICE' are< =A0 =A0less than 1% of all packets. = Mice >>>> includes a bunch of messages like ARP, NTP, UDP, and most of the icmp6 >>>> portion of the stack, in what I'm doing currently. Mice are >>>> desperately needed for the network to continue to function. >>> >>> I'd not use this term: please call it something else. >>> >>> Van and Kathy have talked about HTTP "mice" and "elephant" TCP flows fo= r >>> a >>> long time, and you'll terminally confuse everyone if you call these ite= ms >>> "mice". >> >> I totally agree that overloading 'mice' is the wrong thing to do. mice >> is a very useful category defined as 'short tcp streams', and well >> discussed that way in the existing TCP literature. >> >> I think I've settled on ANT, but lack a suitable backronym. Ants do >> useful stuff, taking care of cleaning up and organizing the universe. >> They are orderly, and hard to see, >> and can lift enormous things despite their size. >> Given my radio background I dislike it because it's short for antenna, >> but 'bee is confusing, and hard to spell, bird is the name of a >> routing daemon, and I'm plumb out of ideas lacking other analogies... >> >> > > I like Bees, myself. =A0 They pollinate everything (a good analogy to wha= t > DNS, DHCP, et. al. do). Too easily confused with BE, is what I meant by 'hard to spell'. I did come up with a backronym for BEE, tho - 'Best Effort, Extreme'. But I think I will go with Ants, at least for now. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0- Jim > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0- Jim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bloat-devel mailing list >>> Bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat-devel >>> >> >> > > --=20 Dave T=E4ht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 http://the-edge.blogspot.com