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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net>
Cc: bloat-devel <bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: hardware hacking on fq_codel in FPGA form at 10GigE
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:27:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJq5cE1SEopk_vDrRjdUFhzoJhZ-6b3f0=Tr68DK0nFEePP6qw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121220081737.1A681800037@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net>

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A small CPU can be made in perhaps 35K gates - something like an ARM7TDMI
or a Cortex-M0. It is common to stick one of those in a special purpose
chip to help with control logic.

But that would operate at a few hundred MHz, which leaves only a few cycles
per packet for small packets. That's not enough to run even a relatively
simple algorithm like codel.

Dedicated logic that *is* fast enough to run the algorithm on each packet
shouldn't be any bigger than such a CPU.

- Jonathan Morton
 On Dec 20, 2012 10:17 AM, "Hal Murray" <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote:

>
> If I was going to do something like that, I'd build a small/simple CPU and
> do
> the work in microcode.
>
> > implementing {n,e,s}fq_codel onboard looks very feasible
>
> How many lines of assembler code would it take?
>
> How many registers do you need?  Do you need any memory other than queues?
> Maybe counters?
>
>
> > The only thing that is seriously serial about fq_codel is shooting the
> > biggest flow when the queue limit is exceeded, and that could be made
> > embarrassingly parallel with enough gates.There are no doubt other tricky
> > issues.
>
> Would it be better to do the fq work in the main CPU and let the FPGA grab
> packets from some shared  data structure in memory?  Can you work out a
> memory structure that doesn't need locks?
>
>
> --
> These are my opinions.  I hate spam.
>
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-20  8:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <dave.taht@gmail.com>
2012-12-20  7:28 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-20  8:17   ` Hal Murray
2012-12-20  8:27     ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2012-12-20  9:51       ` Hal Murray
2012-12-20  9:13     ` Dave Taht
2012-12-20  9:26       ` Dave Taht
2012-12-20 10:32         ` Hal Murray
2012-12-20 13:53           ` [Cerowrt-devel] " dpreed
2012-12-20 14:18             ` Dave Taht
2012-12-20 15:05               ` Dave Taht
2012-12-21 12:34                 ` Dave Taht
2012-12-21 17:48                   ` dpreed
2012-12-21 18:14                     ` Jim Gettys
2012-12-21 18:25                       ` dpreed
2012-12-21 18:45                         ` Jim Gettys
2012-12-21 19:34                           ` dpreed
2012-12-21 19:42                             ` Jim Gettys
2012-12-21 21:54                           ` [Codel] " David Woodhouse
2012-12-21 21:56                             ` John Crispin
2012-12-21 22:08                               ` David Woodhouse

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