From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from cpanel.tc-mi.net (cpanel.tc-mi.net [198.109.107.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 260833B29D; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 23:24:37 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inacomptc.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=nkJed5s95KT5JEsVuVxmAhYqUPjScAH2uyPtvlbRXrI=; b=XC11r2CQ3lNhC+kriYgOIcl13V 3WMRGuU2rzv0ypY3NhHqPJYEDHUOcfvBqSen3KWIB14RsH9DPl+leRxd0MxKH4sZxPqfqCKWjqbGF 1ohr797s1rI0uTVilQRf4nU1VzqdtyooHoAYflTK6WvSec1yrQaPiUFo+ItUgcxQ7Ccs8Kb9uo8ex FDJuSRbhIdqJsOTpgDyPuqJ5jZPkZ7Gk1wDsOUGoM0MKGG1TKRqxkXDolAKD/OOtmqr6gXvAfcp52 DyZ9tgSdCvAOYgjK7QywQoNUxBhWT3EZJYguZs2du71FcLw56x2LhvWdnrm4VE7pjBZ0KUR+YZQTb 6DoKJqgA==; Received: from 097-083-001-186.res.spectrum.com ([97.83.1.186]:46389 helo=DESKTOP0D7H4U1) by cpanel.tc-mi.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZlvY-0005Om-Ae; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 23:24:36 -0400 From: "Jordan Szuch" To: "'Dave Taht'" Cc: "'Cake List'" , "'bloat'" References: <003001d7bdf0$97282430$c5786c90$@inacomptc.com> <004901d7bdf2$8544e8a0$8fceb9e0$@inacomptc.com> <00ce01d7be3d$ed5bfc30$c813f490$@inacomptc.com> <00e701d7be42$e16683f0$a4338bd0$@inacomptc.com> <00f901d7be49$8f61cb80$ae256280$@inacomptc.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 23:24:35 -0400 Message-ID: <010301d7be4f$850a5660$8f1f0320$@inacomptc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQJoRh1+isobeJQa+Kydtt3dT7fxBgJY5XOFAbYyNIkBKHbDvQJgaKIsAqaAxcMBYr3W5AKsJ5lDAbJJxksCkr5BpgJCd/rmAh+2Udup9G1zkA== Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cpanel.tc-mi.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.bufferbloat.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - inacomptc.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cpanel.tc-mi.net: authenticated_id: jordan@inacomptc.com X-Authenticated-Sender: cpanel.tc-mi.net: jordan@inacomptc.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 03:24:37 -0000 Yeah, I'm not sure either. At least at the moment anyway.=20 I did go ahead and run rrul_be with CAKE enabled just for the sake of = doing it. It's available with all the other runs and if it's helpful = then great. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Taht =20 Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:59 PM To: Jordan Szuch Cc: Cake List ; bloat = Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments well the rrul_be test would be more comparable to the htb+fqcodel test. or... i have no idea how to do a 3 tier sqm like model in microtik On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 7:41 PM Jordan Szuch = wrote: > > Quite possibly, as I was running the songs. Although I'm not the only = person using the Internet at my location so the network definitely = hasn't been completely quiet while those tests were running. There was = probably Netflix/Youtube/Spotify traffic going while any of the tests = have been running. > > There should be a Run #5 for cake, fq_codel, and baseline (no SQM) = available. I left it as Run #5 for each test just to indicate they were = run around the same time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Taht > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:30 PM > To: Jordan Szuch > Cc: Cake List ; bloat=20 > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > btw, is the variability I'm seeing on this run possibily due to=20 > playing the song? (part of my intent with the rrul test was to also=20 > playout other forms of traffic) > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:54 PM Jordan Szuch = wrote: > > > > Run #5 should now be available. Enjoyed the little musical break = =F0=9F=98=83 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jordan Szuch > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:41 PM > > To: 'Dave Taht' > > Cc: 'Cake List' ; 'bloat' > > > > Subject: RE: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > Got it, I'll let it run at 105 here shortly. > > > > Hahaha, five minutes it is! I'll check out the song you linked in = the meantime. Timing is working out and having a little fun testing this = out, so it's all good. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Taht > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:38 PM > > To: Jordan Szuch > > Cc: Cake List ; bloat=20 > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > run #5 at 105 looks correct. However we are getting throttled = elsewhere most likely at t+40 sec. It could be in my new (starlink) = cloud or at spectrum... > > > > thx jordan for the rapid turnaround!! You can try running the test=20 > > for > > 5 minutes (-l 300) so as to get a musical break. :) > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:23 PM Dave Taht = wrote: > > > > > > still a bit puzzling, shouldn't see that synced drop on the down. > > > try > > > 105 on the down? Or less? > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:18 PM Jordan Szuch = wrote: > > > > > > > > Done! Should fine the results in the same shared folders I = provided earlier under "Run #3" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dave Taht > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:05 PM > > > > To: Jordan Szuch > > > > Cc: Cake List ; bloat=20 > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > could you try the rrul test (shaped/unshaped) at this box?: > > > > dallas.starlink.taht.net > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:18 AM Jordan Szuch = wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK, I'll give it a shot! Please forgive me here as I haven't = really run flent before. Would running something like what's listed in = the Quick Start here (https://flent.org/intro.html#quick-start) be = sufficient? > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Dave Taht > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 12:11 PM > > > > > To: Jordan Szuch > > > > > Cc: Cake List ; bloat=20 > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > It's flent.org rrul test output that I love. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat = wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked = up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) = to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough = to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far = seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports = and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any = information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run = then I'd be happy to help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Bloat On Behalf=20 > > > > > > Of Dave Taht > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM > > > > > > To: Cake List ; bloat=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments > > > > > > > > > > > > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and=20 > > > > > > cake recently > > > > > > > > > > > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D885000#p885000 > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC=20 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Bloat mailing list > > > > > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > > > > -- > > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > Fixing Starlink's Latencies:=20 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- Fixing Starlink's Latencies: = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC