From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x241.google.com (mail-qk0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A03C73B25E for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2016 07:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x241.google.com with SMTP id o1so7414370qkd.2 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2016 04:46:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date:to :mime-version; bh=IX64J8bIDidIDAn0vyoBCyQTf5p+gS5FbLtwDqYHWhU=; b=tJ16qKFXApx9WKNw+EF5AWMvHdLq+LKJUU1ftK6IX++XniHOHV2rMpRUbwujTzO/cV jw9fTP8noWATInmRi5TE5R66H4gqgrCMEJ/IOn7JBNXwq+8HbNMSmw2+4/vtrA58hyEp Y9HtkZ+N/vtGE3Ute3ycNK/c5s6MWg4WQqcbzXI5U/O8p2V3RyRkGkLpCBW0FnJFi2w1 zcDxMPwqsZMvhnlEyI+5TtWk5ZZcOJpd498Smaaru3rv8Mr2iGL7q1OY/UDt2b3JQPER MOINAPlNexZlifdW6KxvO3QWpMIE+qGvFBN5HkuJyj6Xosx0dDGGjLcsMI46FI9Wevtz TsXA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:subject :message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=IX64J8bIDidIDAn0vyoBCyQTf5p+gS5FbLtwDqYHWhU=; b=DHhfAC+3qtkiviD5ntr5DKCivr2gYYu0qSzG7cQOLq1dXJCDCnrRwIhXhhn0+G7ES/ p8Y/xKTX6osseQ+yD9cs7V/VDWYsQTByFJs4LfZOBK+kaLsO57EKGIrb33o1YVokuqRR GEhmDaC04clvL++fUo9iFVtwOZpHSFSo3yoehjGyMJWxmlJod/xoHCqfIuQMX5fQUPdf HQdSk6mjncWzzpIlu6WtZI6tuAuaUHuR5XwyYbZ1Riti8i7/YbLx1G2w1akjlyeWi+HG VM0LAws7cmDLyFcJozfxZzL4XSgREM9glHyt6CPZcgPgeTfCo5o4F5h7A+yRQ5uM+vPE VKXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMowCiPXuqc0ARwuBV1ZmeKVjzA0CqFGvv598lLLaCQQLxF9SbVLRJ1Y/XITrBd9A== X-Received: by 10.55.18.1 with SMTP id c1mr8218472qkh.138.1472298364011; Sat, 27 Aug 2016 04:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richs-mbp-4786.lan (pool-70-16-106-139.port.east.myfairpoint.net. [70.16.106.139]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b10sm12862531qka.6.2016.08.27.04.46.02 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Aug 2016 04:46:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <05056A85-894D-477F-A10D-C912C7D52C2F@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 07:46:01 -0400 To: bloat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Subject: [Bloat] Bufferbloat test measurements (was: Open Source Speed Test) X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 11:46:04 -0000 It has always been my intent to define bufferbloat as *latency*. The = first sentence on www.bufferbloat.net says, "Bufferbloat is the = undesirable latency that comes from a router or other network equipment = buffering too much data." That definition focuses on observable/measurable values. It sidesteps = objections I've seen on the forums, "How could $TEST measure the size of = buffers?" So what matters is whether the buffers (of any size) are filling up.=