From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14F733B2A4 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 13:47:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1663264026; bh=kwVHhRYJKL6OctU/nQJXx0yYOiZ5x0MKl1Wdxm7eshA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=SRgWXavFXKgNeFcV4p0fr1PRSaBoeV6s14cC6KvpBh8lsxFA58CGMZXnfXGF/6UeM up1yv0ZIrltNiMwGBTWi2LeQWWQNGD9J4d3COQqYCTVCIdOXDguQUz1v9rEBuC4hkf 1b2Wif41AQkmsb4GacOndcUQBA8xsHiZ2s1cY5aA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from smtpclient.apple ([77.8.92.212]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MK3W0-1otAiy1TWY-00LZl2; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:47:06 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:47:02 +0200 Cc: "Livingood, Jason" , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <053A419B-C196-4C31-BB8F-0FDF793150A1@gmx.de> References: <245E9A33-DAD2-4B91-AED8-AA7940C52CA4@cable.comcast.com> To: Arie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ny4AKNK61rxulOtCm09y1Jgcs0oot2wzqIB2dpDWs3YAAXqqzcX 0JnJ4NRzmC/vt0bp428K2h3F0GF7hMlKQ0RAYfJr5adyaFAcLxyUEhYy2dl+VQIMblRXJQ3 H5LC9xxlZklr5zlse7hcIqPAcu52FbymmYATCEqDEHw1k2gUgynVjDv5e88HaQCoKUjufhA VGa/+96pCf8Byf77Mofaw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:bQawXygLr5M=:HbfiBWWaf2OorOjz1g+NmK ep8NDxpc6dnhW3FOUyuwmJmegSEQPeP5f85N73vTvglG+78dL6pzc/HBqmsHJ7Q1Emsge6nKD 5NO/EEuDXwDEArq6oc4p6i3tSDUZEcl+4WWoeVFrii6SnCw6pXhLBKHrKmQpD9ygLrQzHkv3f YkiSb+/CZotu8CHtb/p8/v5PzzXBCZdfW16pRDVfOrYvqKPUk/R1adkZ56/ZgSPVxQMlT1O8m zjLmM5mPhb7PTmjnmKEw3fxSiDgp6eIFVSInzISUDBwU0fIU6xaIkrSf29xnLxGJ0TCm9zWAP YlwOX5rnNUv2oXhu6165M6mU7mMw7x7ArhDmV3gfLW7jwDjBN9f2o4umYD+Lf9FRZdPvdScAC tSOD/FbyLvwYWvvxA+jNad1XixMZBewkr0joZiLFPj3sjhjyFfPipjDqk03BAS/TE6K3dlKeg XjlD2Hujbi4/++Y5DNzhudMRyJYNmfZp26e9vLNBH5HQUkPhYcN10DbGoh6I2zIpoIeC+VCVa usPZCMPaBj2iGDZNKhhF/btEawsQdv8fCEttbL4qqarPPRhHIv83OuBskmEtMontAVMdgOH21 22IYk5iuuNcuK1lHmkj6qyu7sI2phOWApgh+/yHNIRXcVSCgXb8S8L/o9BH/WdkeW2OF/M4tG miX7YXSrSekQ9fT+I2Gsn3hhONjCMCFuaWFLy3NqSu0QBEgbx8pCv9DFzaafC2wEGseAgWD7i q5gErvpZ5HIseCZvbPbWQPM3h9kBE9BEuIrmXfO0Mggxr0Ajx0sg/uyuE/KzKxps9HZF2BMrx +IlguB+kFqWxMcrkILxo44WxcV8iSn1e1Aj/JEMYCcLnfUKz5skzojM5qb20oNotfLDNpYYaL lkI5IcRHEM7Xbcc/jEb+WYyKigqx3LsijeN1iyBws4lF7bNbLK6s/2aqP7tivVw6NlMtRqrBR OtVjv1v+h829R2yazSESO4j0+t0jxEKwMCCIDj3SGs/HaAJWjAV1MfC4OvwdNduEsdmuJJa0x x82MpvNuMneYFaQc5kzn8iPUi140C+ORstNwwXOaqHcjSOEup4s8uFIstIh8Ei+gcLFfYdHd7 K/6v8+zi6fzvpuOV5FaBXmd7rnCdKOR06E44/qbOJx6MHEbIu52pEUlEbZLepANIyGNXa1ldp UiW8hyxqoL5LO4OIE8U102uWsN Subject: Re: [Bloat] Game Demo Suggestions? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 17:47:12 -0000 I think it depends on the audience and how much time they will spend on = watching. For hard-core gamers your ideas will likely work well. For a more = general public I think Lieuwe's idea might be more obvious, as comparing = smooth versus stuttering display should be pretty salient even for = people that do not know the game well. I wonder whether the test should not also include say two other machines = on the same WAN link that are busy streaming in fullHD or UHD just to = spice things up a bit. After all on a link that is otherwise idle all = games should work reasonably well, it is only under competition from = other traffic and transient congestion when an AQM would really shine. Regards Sebastian > On Sep 15, 2022, at 19:37, Arie via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > Games with network indicators. BF V has a good one built-in that can = be activated in the multiplayer options. High ping, variable ping and = loss will be indicated with BF V's indicator icons and a detailed = overlay if you enable it. >=20 > Source-based games that allow you to open net_graph, e.g. Team = Fortress 2 with net_graph 5 enabled. You can see rising ping and packet = loss clearly on the graph. >=20 > On Thu, 15 Sept 2022 at 15:54, Livingood, Jason via Bloat = wrote: > Some of my colleagues in the office are recording video of gaming with = and without AQM (bloated vs unbloated), etc. Any suggestions on games = that will really make this obvious & compelling =E2=80=93 something cool = and worthy of posting on YouTube? >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks! > Jason >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat