From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x231.google.com (mail-lj1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D14613CB36; Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x231.google.com with SMTP id k8so3687278lja.8; Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:31:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=hum5wfji+vjWC7KEc03wsYoz5YqBt1GmmHAv/1pe6kk=; b=hy2ge1Zo6/PPIDdtMKyq4nwOBzOgtG/3m2YyxhA1Uya2Gb8bc0cL74dPqGXrPNLCac HchkzakD3PMAhCkgAAzmTuzgx5mw/EZ1ZJHgYMqEoDK1u9afhD4YRKv2O1dxxrjKLDLa o0CwJ7rB2tf7/QuKIu2PXKTGWNMkfWs0ojKHBfSYt0ZL9T0TvWJl3jd2sD3dQJQ/5kWv Wab2Z4G5rpdL4q/fGDoLNHSxvQlTv7xtKccWr4dvfKrly65qvn3rPuUrzjBjhyqGXc8q 0OVcEghNg5BAUgjjzbxUYxTVSajh8QeLrOuVSPKwPwhIlBRrupbLr2kq4944oxEIGOy4 OjiQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=hum5wfji+vjWC7KEc03wsYoz5YqBt1GmmHAv/1pe6kk=; b=SbKyovWE/ntnns4f5xSjEMC+F60607aQab1UYnehQKEAam66sXMmckidqKYpWA7Nk3 1nxyqQlXINsd3XswZecVyRdzXw+iCkus3TSyQVQWkIvJ4fKDGmQCk8ZphHKENI++rcFS JRvuNghN9tUoq9lae7mbXp93GZ5WMSWfI6zZJ+jbAy9sEEydBQEInVeSs5/zQRtPnrTH 2ZUJ23G8PunW6NeCjBLPC+/+4PdvbSCvD7b0Z3Mh/QIiGwr3STNnoZ2NemOiAdlZfbUZ QNi1KICPRh3et1bfK8pMpt3ncGJIAwb/cXgjqJ7vYZJFyMdpYhy4hwCUfXD/dkX4j/MR vDzw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUlS+ikiF4JiSftNk+Rsud+ekOu4HzEIrstkhsUKGl6FudiD2+9 WTXYdgO/GvDKN5N9NzZ+xug= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy7UvNkBQl4ScHpL01cNP78FvKn3CMGZDL2kOlmXiNiLq8ajr47wTpWs5pLPnTm0+dYnNV78A== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9703:: with SMTP id r3mr244872lji.88.1553121080871; Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-226-9-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.226.9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m18sm540587ljb.35.2019.03.20.15.31.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 00:31:18 +0200 Cc: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <06379263-6C0E-4EC1-9537-DE4C5F61846C@gmail.com> References: <1E80578D-A589-4CA0-9015-B03B63042355@gmx.de> <27FA673A-2C4C-4652-943F-33FAA1CF1E83@gmx.de> <1552669283.555112988@apps.rackspace.com> <7029DA80-8B83-4775-8261-A4ADD2CF34C7@akamai.com> <1552846034.909628287@apps.rackspace.com> <5458c216-07b9-5b06-a381-326de49b53e0@bobbriscoe.net> <5C9296E1.4010703@erg.abdn.ac.uk> To: Sebastian Moeller X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] [tsvwg] [Ecn-sane] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:31:22 -0000 > On 21 Mar, 2019, at 12:12 am, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >=20 > they see 20ms queue delay with a 7ms base link delay @ 40 Mbps At 40Mbps you might as well be running Cake, and thereby getting 1ms = inter-flow induced delay; an order of magnitude better. And we achieved = that o a shoestring budget while they were submarining for a patent = application. If we're supposed to be impressed=E2=80=A6 - Jonathan Morton