From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32d.google.com (mail-wm1-x32d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AB983CB37; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 15:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id o10so6579362wmc.1; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:01:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=KypWzs/7LLJDUeqaQIKnf+RxXRDKVDf5sXta7KjexPU=; b=iukQclFGU9mOds/QoTviPBgpkFXMLcYj8R8RzfFDM5FZJLGBcem+rpXhScX1/V8EPV N+GpZIVMb0mAT2qi1pgoQOkqePeUcjcex+Hue7qL4off0krZHU5C3WlZWA2zWIdvMNpJ zovUo+giyZx4wV4xrlYDlI9mdOaP2g0QWrRkWKyYGl/aQoPHpNclYtyvGs2kgGeQB4Qp MxE5pAK43qQxjn4QZNBf1Zfn/nnv/v+nCOmRSfBxo9hj6qxEedgR8PR+BhU04U5kJvrw 5LXOm3IGDfslcJ9g0M9f3lQaKBnCBMZpLnyXsoWV3ymJVqUBLfjhlISQ3t78+QWIacd8 17dQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=KypWzs/7LLJDUeqaQIKnf+RxXRDKVDf5sXta7KjexPU=; b=r2ZIRhVDzMTjrp33DDdWSZZTZgr6bHj3Ia12XvxeBdqR+LawjZp7UhiP9vKbdnYE8k 2/vef2h/wW153ZyQoUAnPHlA0tfnqVI3KYcE4Nd+nh5kwOfoHuT8vT/F4Ayc8Dlu3BgN Hl1IO32009MBj/dYUe66pkKxeeXNJqhz9Sncg0tJfw53R80T3Eh4WwLkbY/KKFiyJK7k 7INWI1GzFf+J2J6MrbPePlma4m89+JvmbKV+9AFIHNmjauazClZHKR5VRA35RlVIuIcI rVVdOiiwyRJZ4woEUtpO+H+LymdqJwGJZ0NleeSE+J8/iFiUFfAxcnQag9XZDWpeGfGB OrFg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUZjlpaMnkBW5jfZAaZA/3pLDg/Iht7K/8Wlsl3iaU12Hzz1dLJ O2LUt2lIQPfoatAjz2bZACU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwLLa+HW/8iGKa4vbUivh+OGlrMgv5b/7ouzQgZXGZXSoq7jZbAGaU8nWnorJ86kISzuNKa8A== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c446:: with SMTP id l6mr2952395wmi.80.1553367714747; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.135] ([82.202.112.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s1sm6045055wrt.43.2019.03.23.12.01.53 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <46D9B2E8-0F19-48FF-81B8-D9F4F313C8E9@akamai.com> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:01:02 +0100 Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson , "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <06B1A5EA-BBA1-4F0A-B072-E7CFACCA4E91@gmail.com> References: <46D9B2E8-0F19-48FF-81B8-D9F4F313C8E9@akamai.com> To: "Holland, Jake" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] can we setup a "how to get this into existing networks" get-together in Prague coming week? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:01:55 -0000 > On 23 Mar, 2019, at 7:00 am, Holland, Jake = wrote: >=20 > I agree even getting some regular basic CE-marking stuff deployed > would probably be really cool if it can be done sanely. Heated agreement from over here, despite my preference for flow = isolation. Plain old AQM can be orders of magnitude better than a dumb = FIFO. - Jonathan Morton