From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x243.google.com (mail-wm0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E0503BA8E for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2018 17:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x243.google.com with SMTP id t25-v6so17652447wmi.3 for ; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=L57Ppj2zmrQ1lop7Mxv9RCtb9Wf74f8kmCVbuRajvvg=; b=S6Ie18aHhstD9+d4NLM1F7CuMT0jSi+fhYDty9iOZJbO445MzFrTUBjDxduHD1e/VH mA1+JtZurJbH66IMRgVI9KacCS37EKpxafNWkxS1TSvo/fv4pVkMXxTiRifaSADce1q1 Yshac/+WVxQa5b7I6daDh4i4zLdOYW3iJluBXSiSCZ5J1LAYyhZ2OJF13nPIWqTMXubE QVK4Xk681EKxJG+RMGrqxPq/1Nr3Sq6Dio4YQHhdkajDkg4Jgqm7fKX5ufFYVG/5qJsp IurS0f2QJJ8h1BQZ3MzDUSn+jEFZ4zB/IIpYyHQ9CyNq3rHhml6g4StHV1ZQT92dAlbf WjZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=L57Ppj2zmrQ1lop7Mxv9RCtb9Wf74f8kmCVbuRajvvg=; b=Veb+ZJYL92yOzhkqniDkJJ6ksgzARrz53CYpFDZ4blC/GHilwv1e6GiGUIKIexWeaJ 7ahQ0UvisTdCDXpuxGsX+TwnegTyLuW+53+ZbTAQA5HROY2BqbK/8zc5oTCEA4QBZQnw 9XTuviNDdk9F/FLwnAlC61otvETvqTdw5GlN6pfJhUOFd2PABhUJMPcFY1yRffxgfeLc QUYERCU9Rx/jppOvmiD1ICRvHAXyrt1jIO61ofRYy3lNb3zC2nPqyEodUHSbCaNaVfrJ 8Yx5Y+XA8/ZIEQDClSJfQUi8oLa4cRuZmL5bd3qa/pI2hGKkU0qbFBBneOBPS9r1/n0y DYyg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51Ahnc9LU8YkIE4kzQBEUXUv/NMUTchLG0Z7+I83Fx7wP9SpgUWw 4f5cuzJtYAxS2CjINwPDZ2LqIg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdaSHzDbfvk3QV5VsAmwEQbPX9EQB3rDtfRc5AAfVrx08RDeumldW5vr1H+WftqKn4tJhudhfQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:2108:: with SMTP id h8-v6mr8283809wmh.108.1536441454536; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 14:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b10-v6sm13750821wmc.28.2018.09.08.14.17.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Sep 2018 14:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Heist Message-Id: <089EB966-610A-4915-844D-CFC5DC4A7841@heistp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5618D077-0BA0-4CFD-B2F6-BA5DA5EE65E5" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 23:17:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: Sebastian Moeller , bloat To: Dave Taht References: <521EB406-0F8B-4043-A6ED-4C38B0B2B9D8@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] fq_codel on macosx X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 21:17:35 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5618D077-0BA0-4CFD-B2F6-BA5DA5EE65E5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Sep 8, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 8:12 AM Sebastian Moeller > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Dave, >>=20 >> Jason Woringen just told me that macosx seems to include fq_codel now = as well as some involved priority queues that I can not make much sense = of. It might simply have inherited this from its freebsd = underpinnings... >=20 > Wow. I had no idea. I know that they enabled tcp ecn universally last > year... but not fq_codel!! Holy cow! Woah is right. It=E2=80=99s not in OS/X 10.11, but I also see it in = 10.13, so it was either added in 10.12 or 10.13. fq_codel: good enough for Apple, but not systemd. :) Pete --Apple-Mail=_5618D077-0BA0-4CFD-B2F6-BA5DA5EE65E5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On = Sep 8, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>= wrote:

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 8:12 AM = Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:

Hi Dave,

Jason Woringen just told me that macosx seems = to include fq_codel now as well as some involved priority queues that I = can not make much sense of. It might simply have inherited this from its = freebsd underpinnings...

Wow. I had no idea. I know that = they enabled tcp ecn universally last
year... but not fq_codel!! Holy cow!

Woah = is right. It=E2=80=99s not in OS/X 10.11, but I also see it in 10.13, so = it was either added in 10.12 or 10.13.

fq_codel: good enough for Apple, but = not systemd. :)

Pete

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