From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x834.google.com (mail-qt1-x834.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::834]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35E413B2A4 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 18:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x834.google.com with SMTP id s2so6845160qtx.10 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:42:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=EH4UpO6/rYvElBRqFIFz80otAyl6ES1gzRT4idkscds=; b=ctoGw1oE246uYsK3sftiSdf7/ciJHbtpRwUew3OeGsLEfqAV64og7DWtoydfMqpylC UrB53lkYwamr6dhTTqyy2/p5KNY2eRRj5XuEmMRB4EKtLcRuwI3ac01JmCjD4j+hT6Ae Q/tQfJxuotY28hjDGldXGIoRYGPxAgvP2hDlyYfRE3uCXdXOkugEGNvZkyrlv5RO78VZ PRI7yrqRS60skGZ5s061/B/nid8UiOOLjcX68bOo01Ke02Mic64j5k1ELvtMOBuHt16T QGK/n3jKCymB2BGmoTpn0TXTWJrKEKDlLhe7kOn9B4pJ2DyhW5xmZYxfsKKLurC3f0Pl 9DvA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=EH4UpO6/rYvElBRqFIFz80otAyl6ES1gzRT4idkscds=; b=RbShQ3l4HZYusMk3ic0/q6LHIlj1aJL15XNEHntRv8ktRXNLcQDSJfRht+GfUZpiUB 0IzvD1atJgu05jkJbCoQG0CLRtg21LNgSqP9b8utWJSEoB6mK5bgWDW1wfc/OjXWC0IT deQxwBFxcQThspWl3aeb1gGTGl6N1ClNIvKTZQW6etC2QGVljN0OJ275R9ShY1mRP/Pg pwv+ZOLqgK61u8JDMmBXXTXnuhSQIkmtuXH7e4uEurmQT9BB3cOx5fTI0QVYuu+XOrzD +fsml0QUnqRxP6vpjahDPfkSLPf+FR9Nc995l3/XDgzQSMKFfxpqZi6OjLzMetJ9yQ4h ViXA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5323bcEGmcytjYV2Qlv1HYjoNNb2wlHnQdEDljhbTt8H5ITxsn9k 9/veEYEMCRKfxm1Nn2ZK4WgbEFeeQv+GLw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxHMY/BVmlK7EJ7ES6l5IXuTuvMjCRP9vRKJQVymBOOJKjrhMl1+fWJSXn/V7/zHbDJoyEp5Q== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:6f0b:: with SMTP id g11mr1626913qtv.12.1616884925402; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richs-mbp-pro.lan ([198.55.239.109]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c27sm9621202qko.71.2021.03.27.15.42.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8BB39AE6-D1E6-4709-BB35-65FB06666DF3" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 18:42:04 -0400 References: To: bloat In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0AC911C3-F385-4D4A-AD7F-0CB5947A9963@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Best Bufferbloat Analogy - Ever (was: FCC Input) X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 22:42:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8BB39AE6-D1E6-4709-BB35-65FB06666DF3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Mar 27, 2021, at 4:54 AM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net = wrote: >=20 > Jitter and bloat aren't intuitive and need a lot more thinking and = patience=20 > to understand. Perhaps we need a good animated cartoon to explain it. I recently riffed off the Waveform bufferbloat test = (https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat#question-0) that includes, = "Can you explain bufferbloat like I'm five?" My blog posting (complete with a SmartSink(tm)) is at: = https://randomneuronsfiring.com/best-bufferbloat-analogy-ever/ Maybe that's a start toward an animation... Rich= --Apple-Mail=_8BB39AE6-D1E6-4709-BB35-65FB06666DF3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Mar 27, 2021, at 4:54 AM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net wrote:

Jitter and bloat aren't = intuitive and need a lot more thinking and patience 
to understand. Perhaps we need a = good animated cartoon to explain it.

I recently riffed off the Waveform = bufferbloat test (https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat#question-0) = that includes, "Can you explain bufferbloat like I'm five?"

My blog posting = (complete with a SmartSink(tm)) is at: https://randomneuronsfiring.com/best-bufferbloat-analogy-ever/<= /a>

Maybe = that's a start toward an animation...

Rich
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