From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22a.google.com (mail-lj1-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FC6F3B29E for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 04:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22a.google.com with SMTP id u83-v6so11549621lje.12 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:02:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=2b7kd7xWSqBVnxjFXgnLyfdI0BAw1fVNLQRnFoB7iqA=; b=S1zx8ssLky7BDT0ER2XLLTpNAI/IwYPs4+ILeG/UeJjlBy357F+wppyoBIgWJv/io5 SdnbUFi9vePJRhU2vrUEldRrcNpo36gIz8n2RYduyo4Cl4irLrSeIS5ZhudMj/y6eyEN aa+/SHIGf+QZtW2EccMU9EhTlpMPLo8ruzHi+PkkP87jpH7Mb5tPpampwirXrhGAE6QV 6GipqE+THFeB/6i7RGCA56uIaCAlqeIXRE80aT3vNQY2b3RQEbtzUBJJ5D+MKHsI99Oo UEajWAMQRvmJZHdyBNG8cke7dYZH4M04Lr3tdQx8ap9z5M0oks59qMyD8ijxXnPZ+Fgc 7t2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=2b7kd7xWSqBVnxjFXgnLyfdI0BAw1fVNLQRnFoB7iqA=; b=me8H/ODYVTzNb/I1M2jNnSotqqQar1Es7Jw7TdgU6L0zbpI+aqdQdDft0I7jtQrTo7 NhGAM4Olvs0PO44TQfapvAvwVP51r3/akYd79U5VKnPPQgnzz2mSoVbu1RWz4d0f4aEz Dl7D6zaOnim/iRpZDK85YCId9Wyixevjz8aR94DaJMUclGQsaeYlOxlvtpoF/+8JMXLx xqve84J/dMTpIEJPsqpYGuz4LEmoMPGlnsSctMw5KQ/mIl2eYnRgKtNbGG8OaTC0tHgq 5LBbT7DuOU7CUu5XaZMnxjR9XCDfW8yJwHfZyF1evNReYkbEgmdkRI5DW4Zvg56YJIRP rACQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51C4t861e6/84zB7CAK+TZGZmElRad5jVrymfMJbJHZlrvnbupo8 xsmyOtI2WJXxc7TCfXgnAK4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0Vdbu7gMBjGgRII7BaV6pYOxAJyW1lXd81MI5PpmMKAQdDAsoK37BA3HivrE+lGpYD82eCxjR3g== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:1609:: with SMTP id w9-v6mr7517404ljd.120.1535356925165; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-238-14-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.238.14]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j140-v6sm2779873lfg.16.2018.08.27.01.02.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <760F79E7-EA45-46B9-AA0F-7300D0242E44@heistp.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:02:02 +0300 Cc: Dave Taht , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0C7983D3-4452-4DEF-87A6-2200A106FAB9@gmail.com> References: <760F79E7-EA45-46B9-AA0F-7300D0242E44@heistp.net> To: Pete Heist X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] debloats/day metric? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:02:07 -0000 > On 27 Aug, 2018, at 10:44 am, Pete Heist wrote: >=20 > =E2=80=A6request pairs, one given strict priority at the bottleneck = and one best effort, then measure the difference between the two (for = both RTT and OWD). >=20 > Assuming this yields useful data=E2=80=A6 For the overwhelming majority of bloated bottlenecks, it will not - = because they have zero concept of "strict priority". - Jonathan Morton