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From: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
To: "<BeckW@telekom.de>" <BeckW@telekom.de>
Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP	flavours - timestamps?
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:48:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0D064802-2668-4FB7-A0BB-8F717DD4CAF8@cisco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <580BEA5E3B99744AB1F5BFF5E9A3C67D01708ED2A4@HE111648.emea1.cds.t-internal.com>


On Mar 16, 2011, at 2:04 AM, <BeckW@telekom.de> <BeckW@telekom.de> wrote:

> This reminds me of a related concept, using the TTL really as 'Time To Live' (in today's IP, it's more of a 'Remaining Hop Count). According to RfC 791, a router that buffers a packet by n seconds must decrease its TTL by n. I doubt that many routers implement this properly.

There is, of course, a fundamental bug in that, noted in RFC 970.

RFC 1812, which I edited, contains this text (that I didn't write):

      In this specification, we have reluctantly decided to follow the
      strong belief among the router vendors that the time limit
      function should be optional.  They argued that implementation of
      the time limit function is difficult enough that it is currently
      not generally done.  They further pointed to the lack of
      documented cases where this shortcut has caused TCP to corrupt
      data (of course, we would expect the problems created to be rare
      and difficult to reproduce, so the lack of documented cases
      provides little reassurance that there haven't been a number of
      undocumented cases).

The corresponding field in IPv6 (RFC 2460) picks up this bit of wisdom:

   Hop Limit            8-bit unsigned integer.  Decremented by 1 by
                        each node that forwards the packet. The packet
                        is discarded if Hop Limit is decremented to
                        zero.

I think that you will find that every router implements the hop limit properly, and implements the TTL as modified by RFC 1812 properly.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-16 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-15 10:36 Jim Gettys
2011-03-15 14:40 ` Jim Gettys
2011-03-15 16:47   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 17:59     ` Don Marti
2011-03-15 18:14       ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 18:31         ` John W. Linville
2011-03-15 19:40           ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 19:59             ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 20:51             ` John W. Linville
2011-03-15 21:31               ` Rick Jones
2011-03-16  0:32                 ` John W. Linville
2011-03-16  1:02                   ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 22:01               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:19                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-15 22:26                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:36                     ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 22:40                       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:42                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-15 22:52                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-03-15 23:02                         ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 23:12                         ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 23:25                           ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 23:33                             ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 23:46                         ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16  0:49                           ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  1:02                             ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16  1:28                               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  1:59                                 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16  2:23                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16 22:22                                     ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16 23:38                                       ` richard
2011-03-16 23:50                                         ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 12:05                                       ` Fred Baker
2011-03-17 12:18                                         ` Fred Baker
2011-03-17 17:27                                           ` Dave Täht
2011-03-18 18:30                                           ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-18 18:49                                             ` Fred Baker
2011-03-20 11:40                                               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 22:18                                                 ` david
2011-03-20 22:45                                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 22:50                                                     ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 22:55                                                       ` grenville armitage
2011-03-20 23:04                                                         ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 23:14                                                           ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 23:19                                                             ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 23:23                                                               ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 22:58                                                       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-21  1:28                                                     ` david
2011-03-21  1:56                                                       ` Wesley Eddy
2011-03-18 18:27                                       ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion ofTCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16 22:07                           ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-17  0:10                             ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  0:47                 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours " John W. Linville
2011-03-16 20:07                   ` Jim Gettys
2011-03-17  2:26                     ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17 18:22                       ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 21:50                         ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17 22:20                           ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 22:56                             ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-18  1:36                               ` Justin McCann
2011-03-18  5:51                             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-03-15 16:34 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 18:13   ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-16  5:41 ` Fred Baker
2011-03-16  6:26   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  8:55 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16  9:04 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours " BeckW
2011-03-16 22:48   ` Fred Baker [this message]
2011-03-16 23:23     ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17  8:34     ` BeckW

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