From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x22e.google.com (mail-lf0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 579433B2A4 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 08:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id t204so4860407lff.9 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 05:20:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=B3fn7h5q/5g53yvx4FCgQg+fwO1BzqHP4pZFun11pwo=; b=EO2gtygn5tQQYXrgU+NogChWMaWK5MIbufuUh7Pak9WUemc3zkIh9OQ2W/qh4ShB7f EpmBW5e8kipLFh0NengTTCnxoTkQ+hA7+e1LjO9gWUf28N7QnE0H77k9RHXSXy5dtVKM +YAvhFMcuw28bQx76iGz7FrC6FwDizidnVFuEOmR3HlYZsqEKi7Yc5ds6QHzRkSwbkmm F7mwYKq6pUNEX2o4z+BoxvBP/CutVSFa1HSHRlY56rUfsB3gdkeX2aZjJZJfKl+KXW3Y giz8m2x+StpFmXEBWGFzIigA+ApIJm8oe5v49ReApPcQFHhdkwZJIn0nVQzaMQDNcL8G 9K1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=B3fn7h5q/5g53yvx4FCgQg+fwO1BzqHP4pZFun11pwo=; b=sEttaLd/AIKwAU/HSK4t5oar9wQZKqDnWWlp8fnBS6hxLlTHTtLDePsOn8Ul/jSC9O MZiIZfgFMgy91fpvAXyI3hnwuFid+GgLjpAtJnTcGPwii916UW+nZlgGY53ePUfrIETg E7TMHR4nYIFYPk8g3b/EQzbxX1nGnENzmXq/4F3fHeEx0BypkFHUwAEcTGHxO9SBIhT9 wyVnsNudllTkkzmWCKIMD6fY5T9LIB1xZfBdwk5ZdNl2ofiJr9NV9s8DlI5YqsnRw/6v aVdipsiPS8gQkFpiKvBoARnkpl6UtX+N+jWOtudUZKmjPy8XDLS0GzriLp1S7TumFsS0 FSsg== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAdimYDlqZlA3NGW1OJOUj9HXwwSb/0HbrkFlqiuf4jBTyZAqVi +R2417+qW00AOZen8ugk0y7xo7Ay X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227YXNjjSFYPQfw+eguU/Sc9mn8ZRWZ4n59p6qZE0FdY9OhRktkQBgSUO0R0XNFwclJqbPxTIw== X-Received: by 10.46.91.88 with SMTP id p85mr6449538ljb.85.1518873633102; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 05:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.239.216] (83-245-242-123-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.242.123]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c25sm3962794lja.73.2018.02.17.05.20.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Feb 2018 05:20:32 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 15:20:30 +0200 Cc: bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0FEEF584-23EC-40E9-98C6-45665E38FEAA@gmail.com> References: <1518444596433.8187@telenor.com> <3F24DDBC-E1B0-43EA-AEB7-4E2CD3E1FCC5@gmail.com> <958881B2-D432-4B98-9743-3499BF651EFF@gmail.com> <23D08E00-54E2-457F-AEA5-A5E23C00D61D@gmail.com> To: Jim Gettys X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 13:20:34 -0000 > On 13 Feb, 2018, at 2:13 am, Jim Gettys wrote: > > There's still a bit of polish maybe possible. Another tiny tweak to the Diffserv stanza: But choosing which is which presents New problems in all arts. - Jonathan Morton