From: Taraldsen Erik <erik.taraldsen@telenor.no>
To: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
Cc: Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 06:08:14 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <100AC711-2C3E-4FE4-A1A3-65BC759B9530@telenor.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2601A81B-4E21-454C-9959-EDD725547E9E@gmx.de>
On 10/10/2022, 22:23, "Cake on behalf of Sebastian Moeller via Cake" <cake-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
[SM] Tricky... e.g. vectoring enabled CPE can be instructed by the DSLAM to send error samples in-band with the data, but that traffic is never seen by our shapers, so to account for that we need to set a fraction that allows for that (more or less) periodic traffic. I guess one can reach a point of "goog enough" even when ignoring such eventualities, especially if having to convince through-put hot-rodders. Always interesting to hear experience from the real world, thanks!
In my bussiness we can't let perfect be the enemy of good. If we were to wait for the perfect firmware, nobody would have internet access at all. Our team moto is "suck less". Meaning we know there are issues with all products we take to market. And to get to market at all we unfortunately need to accept some suckiness in one domain or another. So when we follow up the vendors each new firmware has to suck less.
-Erik
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-11 6:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-09 13:14 [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2022-10-09 13:23 ` Nathan Owens
2022-10-10 5:52 ` Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-10 9:09 ` [Bloat] [Cake] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-10 9:32 ` Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-10 9:40 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-10 11:46 ` Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-10 20:23 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-11 6:08 ` Taraldsen Erik [this message]
2022-10-11 6:35 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-11 6:38 ` Dave Taht
2022-10-11 11:34 ` Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-10 16:45 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2022-10-10 22:57 ` David Lang
2022-10-11 0:05 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-11 7:15 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-11 16:58 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-11 17:00 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " Dave Taht
2022-10-11 17:26 ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-11 17:47 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-11 13:57 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " Rich Brown
2022-10-11 14:43 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Rpm] " Dave Taht
2022-10-11 17:05 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2022-10-11 18:44 ` Rich Brown
2022-10-11 22:24 ` Dave Taht
2022-10-12 17:39 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-12 21:44 ` [Bloat] [Cake] [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] " David P. Reed
2022-10-13 17:45 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Livingood, Jason
2022-10-13 17:49 ` Dave Taht
2022-10-11 6:28 ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-18 0:02 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] " Stuart Cheshire
2022-10-18 2:44 ` Dave Taht
2022-10-18 2:50 ` Sina Khanifar
2022-10-18 3:15 ` [Bloat] A quick report from the WISPA conference Dave Taht
2022-10-18 17:17 ` Sina Khanifar
2022-10-18 19:04 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-20 5:15 ` Sina Khanifar
2022-10-20 9:01 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-18 19:17 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-18 2:58 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat David Lang
2022-10-18 17:03 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-18 18:19 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-18 19:30 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-19 7:09 ` David Lang
2022-10-19 19:18 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-19 19:23 ` David Lang
2022-10-19 21:26 ` [Bloat] [Cake] " David P. Reed
2022-10-19 21:37 ` David Lang
2022-10-22 18:37 ` [Bloat] " Matt Taggart
2022-10-22 18:58 ` Dave Taht
2022-10-22 20:13 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-22 19:47 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-22 20:34 ` Matt Taggart
2022-10-19 20:44 ` Stuart Cheshire
2022-10-19 21:33 ` David Lang
2022-10-19 23:36 ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-10-20 14:26 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] Traffic analogies (was: Wonderful video) Rich Brown
2022-10-19 21:46 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat Michael Richardson
2022-12-06 19:17 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-20 9:36 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-20 18:32 ` Stuart Cheshire
2022-10-20 19:04 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Rpm] " Bob McMahon
2022-10-20 19:12 ` Dave Taht
2022-10-20 19:31 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-20 19:40 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-21 17:48 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-20 19:33 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-20 19:33 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] " Dave Taht
2022-10-26 20:38 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-26 20:42 ` Dave Taht
2022-10-26 20:53 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-18 18:07 ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
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