From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ea0-x22f.google.com (mail-ea0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4013:c01::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1096621F1FA for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ea0-f175.google.com with SMTP id z7so5628709eaf.20 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:46:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=oAjwMo8SPc5JFPloW4Dk/L9SdRVUCbWcraMvsVlGcLE=; b=mZp1OkuUld8sJ3BiM4F9wksNgrFSom1f0dXiJDwb+fj4qiH3YAuij3vBLttQ7Yizzg 9aUMj705rK2IZJ8XVAPU5EH8cbZ4Ufxki1DbeJvVm+fiflBY6p1eHbKvnJon7NFexmlX t/Xa7AJxfQnmcuwmChnfQP88QHb9PAHEzEXmMfAhegmR/QCnqphS2jsCdCGBdnSALxEM noNM6yE1OfBAyCErsuuEH+qeL4oOySCFXPePN3zYFW8v06zzq+CmfhoMitJVXTu6Vuys gCUcddKwhQu5qjoJmmCiUcsIFfKM2I4xFbFht+zwwey69vN1cmFIbQrxJZDtcDGg/X7e CUOQ== X-Received: by 10.14.115.9 with SMTP id d9mr22151049eeh.87.1372031210548; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (xdsl-83-150-84-172.nebulazone.fi. [83.150.84.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n5sm24388427eed.9.2013.06.23.16.46.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 02:46:48 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1037381F-B294-405C-BE83-42C16704F9EB@gmail.com> References: To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: bloat Mainlinglist Subject: Re: [Bloat] some comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-byte-pkt-congest-10.txt X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 23:46:54 -0000 On 17 Jun, 2013, at 10:40 pm, Dave Taht wrote: > Anybody got a 68020 or slower to play with? As a follow-up to this, I just found somewhere to plug in my 486, and it = does indeed still work - even the RTC was only about a month off. = Booting from a floppy (tomsrtbt) confirms that all of the hardware seems = to be in working order, including the 3c509B - the other NIC is an = NE2000 clone of some sort, somewhat newer than the 3com card. However, it needs a fresh install of Linux, which might still take some = time to arrange, considering that it won't boot directly from CD, nor = will the BIOS directly recognise any hard disk over 528MB. Even = tomsrtbt is too old to support the STROKE protocol for determining the = real size of a modern hard disk - if 40GB can be considered "modern" - = otherwise I could have used it to unpack a Gentoo stage. Back in the = day, I used a smaller disk which could be supported via a BIOS extender = in the boot sector. I think I will need to squeeze a 3.x series kernel onto a floppy disk, = and use another machine to build up the rootfs on the hard disk. = Luckily, a 486 doesn't need many device drivers, but recent kernels seem = to be a lot bigger in the core than older ones. - Jonathan Morton