From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sonic309-17.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic309.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.129.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B56863B2A4 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:26:10 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s2048; t=1543429570; bh=YYNyQuaTotEULTpSDqYLvLIMQHqJU4jMhJUorsaOExo=; h=From:Subject:Reply-To:To:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=WQpW/n/ZVdVP2PSaw2ioQ4aj+RcDuTrRW/8hMelqwFDY1R8ozYXMyfOddyDNE4PET910IpSSpbpOMGeOEuMGSce9o/YiolTup998nGLB70UmxDXR/Vhoc533aF402Q0Dvr5RVjuO2GF2hliIeVauvI/ZJCoMtT35Eo391za8FtPbLRhurOsXSuRNKW+uLWUjcl/09uz1cMCfGF977fotOx2YjuwJDsvsFaAyFxNjFjy0Gq1ALrEPgOV1kMGjlnHNoZPDFH6aemruTYp0IbwkM+cFEh1l3AQ+v07Jx94NbmG9SQVcF1I5vRy0NvKJEYj/cnAuIuvoJe3VWoKEP58QCA== X-YMail-OSG: ntwsHtUVM1n0UZEPDBDLBlC.XDUOQl9tw5.A6MRfPa_SR3NBWdyQEIRDsGMrlBA q_2G3dRhzAAE9Kb9qj8ySTPAsZcm3iZIRI634Fs.UXIajuMN2jXflV87zpkMh5Em8tJF37hmUgW1 mDrT0GxnTp_xUwRuleRcJEB1DhvSAYX0o1eYpydLU10tBrRMATLVxqwLuqcgzPdrFu.98Z3sZNUA XfiVNXi9LfOlFV2I_c2JIRNDpI35Lfq1LBNZaMB_nXIgVFMQ3XZpg.keTHjS_ETaraxqbjfiRhQN 7n__SZw759_ieeEHDwZMRS4vRja_Ity9fYwyA2RWWClHgnBvTrj0oxApqSCl91CT5_XFnvlicQlx ctufYDc5qnVILXM7s8S1JPlMqB5slAVKQH9R87e6pgS_2vGkq2BEFjJyt8lbF0QTF_qvc2tsdSif JFVSWYgc0YYcJHvkzfttiIOTDX_yQ01h3se91QxXUdxvw_Ggi5rBl7nPuPDkVw0a_B4Qt.OuYCBn 40AJOqvvkpXFusmLFj6zjrQ7_xm.uFffPwIuSPHzscwWcMN9jlD1DP0gtu1NCWJiOl9YDC1ruf8m .nPKJevjiCUOAIrG1yTuuhu7t7GGx.5OGtTnBkQGLvC_UdqFFmI.zjA7DFY3ctLUX_EjJWQx6F5T o77x9136rBUNVkW3212J7MkZfWt1u7G.NvzdwpFqZatDhNqXp5UN5aQG4as0GPSXFLgf_92kRJZa 4XPIJAuZTJyhRU_3as.b7d4mvUl9Q2.3TpeQeXnS_RMF9b6H7W3arrZcY6qNXsjqRqBXkXsHBo.g GyQY.939bYF6iJ3QUL0UCIt2aPx2W1HiT_u27a6_4i45kgvTzYcjCl5bLPYiuyF1zeCjFwoOr3lt pxImQzCJBqBO8PfP7jEXSxdt4XC5gV0vEtlQpCtLCFl8Z2X_1Y3fKBOZc5s7qark9H9NGyKjSNdd Opj8M.uqhiur1kj4aWPacYp.8a4k.B9EifNMJ2IqEn_1OOwdjOlLX887NH0w.Rcd.a29ky5HV7xx GkD.m4Frpbaqd.ssEnztWeIGrFQcT6Udlk2ScLEpqVqsJxe9u6YYg_NtCJK15ilTyIA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:26:10 +0000 Received: from CPEbc4dfba21363-CMbc4dfba21360.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (EHLO [192.168.0.15]) ([99.242.215.211]) by smtp418.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 26fab9fbc95fd9883b62e1081725d520; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:26:07 +0000 (UTC) From: David Collier-Brown Reply-To: davecb@spamcop.net To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <87y39dywei.fsf@taht.net> Message-ID: <10f64620-5b45-5c84-e468-044cc32fb92e@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:26:06 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87y39dywei.fsf@taht.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Bloat] known buffer sizes on switches X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:26:10 -0000 On 2018-11-28 11:55 a.m., Dave Taht wrote: > Thank you for that. I do have a long standing dream of a single chip > wifi router, with the lowest SNR possible, and the minimum number of > pins coming off of it. I'd settle for 32MB of (static?) ram on chip as > that has proven sufficient to date to drive 802.11n.... > > which would let you get rid of both the L2 and L1 cache. That said, I > think the cost of 32MB of on-chip static ram remains a bit high, and > plugging it into a mips cpu, kind of silly. Someday there will be a case > to just doing everything on a single chip, but... I could see 32MB or more of fast memory on-chip as being attractive when one is fighting with diminishing returns in CPU speed and program parallelizability. In the past that might have excited MIPS, but these days less so. Maybe ARM? IBM? --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain