From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x72d.google.com (mail-qk1-x72d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A1ED3B29D for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk1-x72d.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-781753f52afso300299685a.2 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 10:52:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709059949; x=1709664749; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version:from :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=XHxVxWRF6Rg2WFnJ2qVoGktD50+tvY+4p9i0vw40rHg=; b=iL/lI3kAj5VfbrlVgUci1XfecKm6I9SQfnPZcQ52gfHKr47hxQXRXVYLvIrZQCTFFE /nt4jYNKmpz4xr3eBm03gsDfVKcMzaf0OwFoy44BO2YbwD/H1NooiJ2oEiYTVZuA5WRa aQMqvo9tFDt9MzS5l0eJCE3O7wYBWLLaVY+6eidWUQDFykwiA5gOcPJ2rcKvyxgn0Pny f5ZwqsCfhE8DOKRp3dRWaK6prLzQBtC10XHXKPidfEdHbJi4Z5sqtSKzagjtRPsR+TdZ /+svomXNPxK0PZzhZ/xPYIQpMDVoRbGobrmZWBR3BbUna7A+7qAcB/PTb1xwlgTIjdLm 7esQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709059949; x=1709664749; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version:from :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=XHxVxWRF6Rg2WFnJ2qVoGktD50+tvY+4p9i0vw40rHg=; b=tAuRyv/PU2oobfSnCyGJw4AijQN5QTzc/JIc2HgB11tqS2xSTLY+UheyX8HKpapWvE q92EB7k5ulFy3LMBeqfSFhhk1XfIHY1Ej7fLOELaGtJWNazI6MX4pwjJGCFQ//2LHYTe TODrKClChMiUOFmIbQ147yrqsORj8vom2PGd+X0fN5ivJR5D4Mxs32RmDCJlfaAftS8S YfItaHSMCZevjfOYO578jfRs3RMn7B1udg6/F3G98CjpmC2bdd3VoFrv1p5cIjsYz36n 0guoG9yPOiWIiITMNEUixeE1oT2rlUI0zRw+TOvxFWFf83f+DIgz1tmAj/0URrjpo9OX L/uw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzT7eB5iSQtw7WYzBPndvloeCoMWkBKGPrBknVeyKWZtqS9fwy1 Z62dt3flAb/m4dY5HKHQ8AyNkndXsRt/dVc54YCUuEELW1UngQXpM+1u/Vtc X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHloe04zU+aAuf4IEUHoFfGB0U10ElW9OZYYWCVmgHD08UAz9OH/TB6ChWmt3Q0D4XqNmjKUw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:460d:b0:787:ef0f:f809 with SMTP id br13-20020a05620a460d00b00787ef0ff809mr160143qkb.24.1709059949343; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 10:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.40]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s22-20020a05620a081600b007879ec3e543sm3836581qks.12.2024.02.27.10.52.28 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 27 Feb 2024 10:52:28 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_80A4A533-F1C0-4CA2-B06E-F209B96EBA68" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:52:28 -0500 References: To: bloat In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1142E628-CF2B-4EDC-B4FD-46832B6D5840@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) Subject: Re: [Bloat] mDNS X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 18:52:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_80A4A533-F1C0-4CA2-B06E-F209B96EBA68 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Feb 27, 2024, at 12:00 PM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net = wrote: >=20 > On 2/26/2024 6:28 AM, Rich Brown via Bloat wrote: >> - Avoid the WAN port's DHCP assigned subnet (what if the ISP uses=20 >> 192.168.1.0/24?) >=20 > I recently got ATT fiber and its modem won't let me assign from=20 > 10.0.0.0/8! So I put a Raspberry Pi 4 in front of it. Exactly! There are no rules about what subnet range an ISP's gear will = assign to DHCP devices. So (I believe) it becomes incumbent on OpenWrt to be smarter than the = ISP's router (shouldn't be hard) and pick a separate subnet for its LAN = & wireless interface. (Clearly, OpenWrt could default to 192.168.1.0/24, = but if that's that range the ISP is using, it could switch to = 192.168.2.0/24. I think that's all the flexibility that's required...) And then advertise a mDNS name to make it easy for humans to connect. = Who would notice? - Newcomers wouldn't - they'd just connect and configure as described in = the Wiki - Grizzled OpenWrt old-timers wouldn't notice either, because they will = have set their ISP device to use some other address range. Any reason not to build this into OpenWrt? Thanks. Rich= --Apple-Mail=_80A4A533-F1C0-4CA2-B06E-F209B96EBA68 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Feb 27, 2024, at 12:00 PM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net wrote:

On 2/26/2024 6:28 AM, Rich Brown via Bloat wrote:
- = Avoid the WAN port's DHCP assigned subnet (what if the ISP uses 
192.168.1.0/24?)

I recently got ATT fiber and its = modem won't let me assign from 
10.0.0.0/8! So I put a Raspberry = Pi 4 in front of it.

Exactly! There are no rules about what subnet = range an ISP's gear will assign to DHCP devices.

So (I believe) it becomes incumbent on OpenWrt to = be smarter than the ISP's router (shouldn't be hard) and pick a separate = subnet for its LAN & wireless interface. (Clearly, OpenWrt could = default to 192.168.1.0/24, but if that's that range the ISP is using, it = could switch to 192.168.2.0/24. I think that's all the flexibility = that's required...)

And then = advertise a mDNS name to make it easy for humans to connect. Who would = notice?

- Newcomers wouldn't - = they'd just connect and configure as described in the Wiki
- = Grizzled OpenWrt old-timers wouldn't notice either, because they will = have set their ISP device to use some other address range.

Any reason not to build this into OpenWrt? = Thanks.

Rich
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