From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from nm33-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB5D63B29E for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1490998178; bh=MnG2Hbj6rCGjUmtDqQUBILM2ecZlj8hYQuQG0h6rn4M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=cXksYjBs8FR+7AADGZnqaLFM2SNXCcEhU2GS/4DWkz7BVdiPs1nWXR6W7CDFcpA/Vv7DPZjuMo8qkWINLRYX/2jb0WtE/0oJz8sSlOOnjpcbBtS4j5ZTVdkcB88ZVgLBlGsiJt+Sx9hBt9Du4cKZ7lTIPGkJlcX+qmi5FVdMTdHmNJR5vTvm9ko1dvT0Ndz2RFqwCJjqauu+vSfDPM9ZMEkc1uxAGPvQhDUD0joiyiONRUQJrKFwBoSweF7Ox557Fu5/HgY3oLQoZ+93uOqivnQfFfMcTJjgaDHXUXRSFJk7qcwtCIiUF19aaD3rXZ54sDAQ5UnYH8+yNUnxj+gsHQ== Received: from [98.139.170.182] by nm33.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2017 22:09:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.231] by tm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2017 22:09:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2017 22:09:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 405652.87094.bm@omp1040.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: VG4FgGIVM1lrC9NxDZkq6Y1kS._ljNjzpcduK6ZoJv3YaMKBYZ1KNfZ7g6wZFjj 4CpNmR45O2zR9CLbzf9baphGhFLiryyLT001BIBjAOyGnheoRoW6xP4Dv9EsdQ52_NZRb68cnzi9 lTGikp4SW8XcOvcHdC4_WiZPGSofmZc2qinpGk1XXDttGzSmm.U4dhuyO7YuwdEw3nwXetx0GZYC nPbsg5dtPb7Iz991hQ3NaLlvm2e0LnfNJf8aozHVUXm3j9xJ1Cjofitwn3lyG_wN385SxFxCDwpf 2e_Jl64tr3aCRMkbagRiobkMStTbBKg3PPIP.N3W9cDiJYGHvLKvWC4l8p1FE2x_88jrgeZYbWqp 9ev0N_S0z_3WQK5Be2ksjqOdG9Eh_X9kO2KZjLF3a_dt4dx8lECbpE6HGwfBJBkQu_r.ejOlBw.M Neas3zlh8IRDriaqCGSzsn1SZz1yyveJWW2a2ENRyEAWLcFoLzy_fpVqvpP3D4FNxmX478NwKQ_q bjxAJoGh.Pyb9b9xYz.VLaltQERk6IwW9BX6UFYy2d3kW Received: from jws400136.mail.bf2.yahoo.com by sendmailws148.mail.bf1.yahoo.com; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 22:09:37 +0000; 1490998177.983 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 22:07:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Alex Burr Reply-To: Alex Burr To: bloat Message-ID: <1198438634.8472041.1490998044375@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <99097E93-05AB-46F8-8545-E140C37ACAF3@pnsol.com> References: <99097E93-05AB-46F8-8545-E140C37ACAF3@pnsol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] I have a new record for bloat X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 22:09:39 -0000 On Saturday, February 11, 2017 9:05 AM, Neil Davies = wrote: > The same mindset that created these sort of performance artefacts is also= driving changes in DSL=20 > standards, so watch out for these sort of artefacts (again induced by thi= ngs that you have no direct > control over) starting to occur in =E2=80=9Chigh speed=E2=80=9D DSL syste= ms (such as VDSL) when conditions are less > than perfect. Are you referring to G.998.4? That's supposed to introduce a max of 63ms de= lay. But it's been a while since I was involved in DSL, so maybe it's somet= hing new... Alex