It's written to look like an academic paper, but it's pure marketing.  "Memory is cheap, we used a lot, so let's select some evidence that argues this is a good thing." As always with the coin-operated, the way to get them to change is to offer additional information which * captures their attention, and, more importantly * offers them a cheap way to /make more money/. For example, a software change that make their big buffers not fill up with elephants... --dave On 2021-07-02 12:59 p.m., Stephen Hemminger wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 09:42:24 -0700 > Dave Taht wrote: > >> "Debunking Bechtolsheim credibly would get a lot of attention to the >> bufferbloat cause, I suspect." - dpreed >> >> "Why Big Data Needs Big Buffer Switches" - >> http://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Whitepapers/BigDataBigBuffers-WP.pdf >> > Also, a lot depends on the TCP congestion control algorithm being used. > They are using NewReno which only researchers use in real life. > > Even TCP Cubic has gone through several revisions. In my experience, the > NS-2 models don't correlate well to real world behavior. > > In real world tests, TCP Cubic will consume any buffer it sees at a > congested link. Maybe that is what they mean by capture effect. > > There is also a weird oscillation effect with multiple streams, where one > flow will take the buffer, then see a packet loss and back off, the > other flow will take over the buffer until it sees loss. > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com | -- Mark Twain