From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E07A3CB39 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 15:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC2820090; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 15:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E6E8110C; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 15:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Dave Taht cc: Michael Welzl , bloat , Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: References: <50e57074-4ca5-59f7-f010-d9b2b845a8a7@rogers.com> <8DE589C3-9537-416D-AC7C-9250464869F9@gmail.com> <0ED5B59A-5C31-4F70-A2C9-04D9EA779A7B@ifi.uio.no> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7-RC3; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 19:23:48 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Dave Taht wrote: > How dead is posix these days? Ietf does not generally do apis well. I disagree. IETF has lore says that it doesn't do APIs well, and so it's a self-fullfiling prophecy. Everyone knows it's true without any actual evidence, so nobody tries. Who does do APIs well today? Microsoft's API story is a disaster, so despite decades of market dominance, their networking APIs are not defacto standard. While it looks like Linux does APIs well, actually, it just does a really good job at getting the public APIs implemented. The IPv6 BSD sockets API is a roaring success. It's just not enough given MIF, DNSSD, IPsec, LISP, etc. The problem space has expanded. The problem is getting API work funded across Google, Apple, MS, *BSD, and Linux. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlrFJkIACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUMYQgAhu1uewrQyyQnA/935Cvz1LDGdzpMv5FSCspew1YdukYcAPbf53mvqkW2 qtA3TrEFC+R8GmNd88YR3++4WMdwT2U59t0Yl0LsXEDkddIG8nZJJVAkcAiAagry +Eh7ZcyFw6Q49V9q6XntUMqpJgW83JN0JoOQ9QrSMY4+/nm1HMZpN3Qa5EYb4FVs K8QRGJwC65JjqYWk1nZjFtXpEE8y2Ej3RqMKYgeHN7w1peF+oqdTmNQlT4QZjMfW +LX9sudQIoOSCUHtzIhAmfsPOaH4j/6IZKqFD9hR+S6ScDHdg2fgq3Zd4an9AsCb dPqk4t2bVTiCXU2fRRSSNT/6D9yMNg== =Y40K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--