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From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours - timestamps?
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:02:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1300230174.2087.2201.camel@tardy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1300229578.2565.29.camel@edumazet-laptop>

On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 23:52 +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Le mardi 15 mars 2011 à 15:36 -0700, Rick Jones a écrit :
> > Back and forth synchronization between driver and device is
> > doubleplusungood.  Being able to remove a packet on the tx queue already
> > made known to the NIC sounds like it could become a rathole. If you are
> > lucky, you *might* have a "valid/invalid" bit in a packet descriptor
> > that the driver could hope to set before the NIC had pulled-in a copy
> > across the I/O bus.
> 
> There are two different use cases :
> 
> 1) Wired devices, where we want to push more 10+ Gbps, so we can assume
> a posted skb is transmitted immediately. Even a basic qdisc can be a
> performance bottleneck. Set TX ring size to 256 or 1024+ buffers to
> avoid taking too many interrupts.
> 
> 2) wireless, were typical bandwidth is small enough we can afford a
> qdisc with a trafic shaper, good flow classification, whatever limit on
> "maximum waiting time in qdisc queue or drop it" and a very small queue
> on hardware ?

So, I've no worries that my home system has plenty of "oomph" for fancy
things when speaking over wireless, but that is a desktop.  How much
"oomph" relative to wireless bandwidth exists in hand-helds?  Right now
I think of "wireless" as being, in essence, 100BTto1GbE (wild
handwaving) - do the CPUs in handhelds possess that much more "oomph"
than "regular" systems did when 100BT or 1GbE first appeared?

rick jones

> 
> In both cases, we dont need to "cancel" a packet post to NIC hardware,
> or we need special hardware support (some NICS already provide hardware
> TX completion times)
> 
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-15 23:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-15 10:36 Jim Gettys
2011-03-15 14:40 ` Jim Gettys
2011-03-15 16:47   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 17:59     ` Don Marti
2011-03-15 18:14       ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 18:31         ` John W. Linville
2011-03-15 19:40           ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 19:59             ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 20:51             ` John W. Linville
2011-03-15 21:31               ` Rick Jones
2011-03-16  0:32                 ` John W. Linville
2011-03-16  1:02                   ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 22:01               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:19                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-15 22:26                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:36                     ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 22:40                       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:42                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-15 22:52                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-03-15 23:02                         ` Rick Jones [this message]
2011-03-15 23:12                         ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 23:25                           ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 23:33                             ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 23:46                         ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16  0:49                           ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  1:02                             ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16  1:28                               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  1:59                                 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16  2:23                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16 22:22                                     ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16 23:38                                       ` richard
2011-03-16 23:50                                         ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 12:05                                       ` Fred Baker
2011-03-17 12:18                                         ` Fred Baker
2011-03-17 17:27                                           ` Dave Täht
2011-03-18 18:30                                           ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-18 18:49                                             ` Fred Baker
2011-03-20 11:40                                               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 22:18                                                 ` david
2011-03-20 22:45                                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 22:50                                                     ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 22:55                                                       ` grenville armitage
2011-03-20 23:04                                                         ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 23:14                                                           ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 23:19                                                             ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 23:23                                                               ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 22:58                                                       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-21  1:28                                                     ` david
2011-03-21  1:56                                                       ` Wesley Eddy
2011-03-18 18:27                                       ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion ofTCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16 22:07                           ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-17  0:10                             ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  0:47                 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours " John W. Linville
2011-03-16 20:07                   ` Jim Gettys
2011-03-17  2:26                     ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17 18:22                       ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 21:50                         ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17 22:20                           ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 22:56                             ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-18  1:36                               ` Justin McCann
2011-03-18  5:51                             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-03-15 16:34 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 18:13   ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-16  5:41 ` Fred Baker
2011-03-16  6:26   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  8:55 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16  9:04 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours " BeckW
2011-03-16 22:48   ` Fred Baker
2011-03-16 23:23     ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17  8:34     ` BeckW

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