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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Richard Scheffenegger <rscheff@gmx.at>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Burst Loss
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:53:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1305107596.4341.6.camel@edumazet-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3AE3B8A6A3EC4423A3BB4F1D6596B848@srichardlxp2>

Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 à 10:53 +0200, Richard Scheffenegger a écrit :

> Well, the transmit descriptors (header + pointer to the data to be 
> segmented) is in the hand of the hw driver...
> The hw driver could at least check if the current list of transmit 
> descriptors is for different tcp sessions
> (or interspaced non-tcp traffic), and could interleave these descriptors 
> (reorder them, before they are processed
> by hardware - while obviously maintaining relative ordering between the 
> descriptors belonging to the same flow.
> 
> Also, I think this feature could be utilized for pacing to some extent - 
> interspace the (valid) traffic descriptors
> with descriptors that will cause "invalid" packets to be sent (ie. dst mac 
> == src max; should be dropped by the first switch). It's been well known 
> that properly paced traffic is much more resilient than traffic being sent 
> in short bursts of wirespeed trains of packets. (TSO defeats the 
> self-clocking of TCP with ACKs).

In French, we would say "Avoir le beurre et l'argent du beurre" ;)

GSO is for high performance data xmits, usually in LAN.
Dont expect NICS perform the hard/smart work for you.
Of course hardware vendors claim they can do this, but this is mostly
done with vendor specific methods, and you might spend a lot of time
tuning hardware.

If you want AQM, better use a well chosen qdisc setup (depending on the
workload), and disable TSO/GSO. This will work well with all hardware,
and presumably last for longer times (including hardware changes)




  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-11  9:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-26 17:05 [Bloat] Network computing article on bloat Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:13 ` Dave Hart
2011-04-26 18:17   ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:28     ` dave greenfield
2011-04-26 18:32     ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 19:37       ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 20:21         ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 20:30           ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-04-26 21:16             ` Dave Taht
2011-04-27 17:10           ` Bill Sommerfeld
2011-04-27 17:40             ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-27  7:43       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-04-30 15:56       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-04-30 19:18       ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-05 16:01         ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:10           ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-05 16:30             ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:49             ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Neil Davies
2011-05-05 18:34               ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-06 11:40               ` Sam Stickland
2011-05-06 11:53                 ` Neil Davies
2011-05-08 12:42               ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09 18:06                 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-11  8:53                   ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-11  9:53                     ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2011-05-12 14:16                       ` [Bloat] Publications Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-12 16:31                   ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Fred Baker
2011-05-12 16:41                     ` Rick Jones
2011-05-12 17:11                       ` Fred Baker
2011-05-13  5:00                     ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 14:35                       ` Rick Jones
2011-05-13 14:54                         ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 20:03                           ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Kevin Gross
2011-05-14 20:48                             ` Fred Baker
2011-05-15 18:28                               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-15 20:49                                 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16  0:31                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-16  7:51                                     ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16  9:49                                       ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16 11:23                                         ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:15                                           ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 13:22                                             ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:42                                               ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 15:23                                                 ` Jim Gettys
     [not found]                                               ` <-854731558634984958@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-16 13:45                                                 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-16 18:36                                             ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16 18:11                                         ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-17  7:49                               ` BeckW
2011-05-17 14:16                                 ` Dave Taht
     [not found]                           ` <-4629065256951087821@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-13 20:21                             ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 22:36                               ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 22:08                           ` [Bloat] Burst Loss david
2011-05-13 19:32                         ` Denton Gentry
2011-05-13 20:47                           ` Rick Jones
2011-05-06  4:18           ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Fred Baker
2011-05-06 15:14             ` richard
2011-05-06 21:56               ` Fred Baker
2011-05-06 22:10                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-07 16:39                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-08  0:15                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-08  3:04                       ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-05-08 13:00                 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:53               ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:34             ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09  3:07               ` Fred Baker

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