From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Richard Scheffenegger <rscheff@gmx.at>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Burst Loss
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:53:16 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1305107596.4341.6.camel@edumazet-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3AE3B8A6A3EC4423A3BB4F1D6596B848@srichardlxp2>
Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 à 10:53 +0200, Richard Scheffenegger a écrit :
> Well, the transmit descriptors (header + pointer to the data to be
> segmented) is in the hand of the hw driver...
> The hw driver could at least check if the current list of transmit
> descriptors is for different tcp sessions
> (or interspaced non-tcp traffic), and could interleave these descriptors
> (reorder them, before they are processed
> by hardware - while obviously maintaining relative ordering between the
> descriptors belonging to the same flow.
>
> Also, I think this feature could be utilized for pacing to some extent -
> interspace the (valid) traffic descriptors
> with descriptors that will cause "invalid" packets to be sent (ie. dst mac
> == src max; should be dropped by the first switch). It's been well known
> that properly paced traffic is much more resilient than traffic being sent
> in short bursts of wirespeed trains of packets. (TSO defeats the
> self-clocking of TCP with ACKs).
In French, we would say "Avoir le beurre et l'argent du beurre" ;)
GSO is for high performance data xmits, usually in LAN.
Dont expect NICS perform the hard/smart work for you.
Of course hardware vendors claim they can do this, but this is mostly
done with vendor specific methods, and you might spend a lot of time
tuning hardware.
If you want AQM, better use a well chosen qdisc setup (depending on the
workload), and disable TSO/GSO. This will work well with all hardware,
and presumably last for longer times (including hardware changes)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-11 9:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-04-26 17:05 [Bloat] Network computing article on bloat Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:13 ` Dave Hart
2011-04-26 18:17 ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:28 ` dave greenfield
2011-04-26 18:32 ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 19:37 ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 20:21 ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 20:30 ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-04-26 21:16 ` Dave Taht
2011-04-27 17:10 ` Bill Sommerfeld
2011-04-27 17:40 ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-27 7:43 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-04-30 15:56 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-04-30 19:18 ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-05 16:01 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:10 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-05 16:30 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:49 ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Neil Davies
2011-05-05 18:34 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-06 11:40 ` Sam Stickland
2011-05-06 11:53 ` Neil Davies
2011-05-08 12:42 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09 18:06 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-11 8:53 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-11 9:53 ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2011-05-12 14:16 ` [Bloat] Publications Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-12 16:31 ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Fred Baker
2011-05-12 16:41 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-12 17:11 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-13 5:00 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 14:35 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-13 14:54 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 20:03 ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Kevin Gross
2011-05-14 20:48 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-15 18:28 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-15 20:49 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16 0:31 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-16 7:51 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16 9:49 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16 11:23 ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:15 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 13:22 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:42 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 15:23 ` Jim Gettys
[not found] ` <-854731558634984958@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-16 13:45 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-16 18:36 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16 18:11 ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-17 7:49 ` BeckW
2011-05-17 14:16 ` Dave Taht
[not found] ` <-4629065256951087821@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-13 20:21 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 22:36 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 22:08 ` [Bloat] Burst Loss david
2011-05-13 19:32 ` Denton Gentry
2011-05-13 20:47 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-06 4:18 ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Fred Baker
2011-05-06 15:14 ` richard
2011-05-06 21:56 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-06 22:10 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-07 16:39 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-08 0:15 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-08 3:04 ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-05-08 13:00 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:53 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:34 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09 3:07 ` Fred Baker
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