From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA624200685 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by werg1 with SMTP id g1so16179160wer.16 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:40:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to:references :content-type:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=mXkx6ryHnJWtUJQ/61t+/nTktGOtNjenydEboNSawNc=; b=Z7r3/5c+lV+VWT9tiCLPb8bYQZ7xVpjmLOkPP94Dco9FLo9WO71MD/1XrzYfi348lz jp6ep3Z3sJPKmtvyA0PuIB5XEx7W/7EyxZYqXF7YHYjrI0zZcUdQC+V+Defh2lE/VavB fwlxrmKj0QvvBo56b1zmFfsLfLE1CBYYjXxMA= Received: by 10.216.136.34 with SMTP id v34mr2837700wei.13.1325698857930; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.150.51.214] (gw0.net.jmsp.net. [212.23.165.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gf8sm11838570wbb.11.2012.01.04.09.40.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:40:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1325698854.2428.34.camel@edumazet-HP-Compaq-6005-Pro-SFF-PC> From: Eric Dumazet To: Justin McCann Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:40:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1325481751.2526.23.camel@edumazet-laptop> <4F046F7B.6030905@freedesktop.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] What is fairness, anyway? was: Re: finally... winning on wired! X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:41:00 -0000 Le mercredi 04 janvier 2012 à 12:36 -0500, Justin McCann a écrit : > I must have misinterpreted the 'new flows' discussion on netdev. Are > these new flows in the sense of SYN/SYN-ACK, or new flows in the sense > of "don't have any packets in the queue(s) right now"? New flows in the sense "don't have any packets in the queue(s) right now" (ie a non backlogged flow)