From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com (mail-ey0-f171.google.com [209.85.215.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4889421F0CE for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eaaa12 with SMTP id a12so755675eaa.16 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:55:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OpHnlZ2gkzTBbwKkztHlVaQ6bDyTmORSL+8oHl59iR0=; b=qDvpxdmBcgjFA9Y+1zATk2iVrHHvuXYnYylVauawBg6pRkGbEHHSY/dvzIP85ULFvC VIU0cV8lyoelLmZOUspixy8qJcOQmIUOy19lZUm5cQO0wZkdP9+kETIQ1kJHcPhy4xIz aPAki3PIPm6OBUbUArQ2znp8zU3YLi2N9cgZPP1Q62+eyJKotNE+ySFhtXerTkyl9wT/ uibHBC8pzMdK4r3wYidpQetAst++Q1YFPNOVhejVMT9VQERt/ZNPSiH5CGnSnZhczcmh ztl/8npU1luWjJShOcPpHanXRXPYbAycMCuX5EXslrcoRCVdqMduXN1BwOfQYObv5clJ 8r8g== Received: by 10.14.127.198 with SMTP id d46mr258962eei.101.1339664101809; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.162.245] ([74.125.121.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p41sm16707659eef.5.2012.06.14.01.54.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Dumazet To: Michael Welzl In-Reply-To: <4FD9914A.2000509@ifi.uio.no> References: <4FD9914A.2000509@ifi.uio.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:54:58 +0200 Message-ID: <1339664098.22704.684.camel@edumazet-glaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] mosh, ecn, and diffserv marking X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:55:04 -0000 On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 09:22 +0200, Michael Welzl wrote: > One ECN-specific concern that was addressed is that it's often in the > interest of the receiver, but not the sender, to lie about ECN and > simply cheat (reflect "nonono, no congestion at all" back to the > sender). This is addressed by RFC3540, which is experimental and not > really used. Yes, apparently :(