From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "ams-iport-1.cisco.com", Issuer "Cisco SSCA" (not verified)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C96B201A4B for ; Mon, 16 May 2011 02:40:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=358; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1305539386; x=1306748986; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fgomd7hJGznFNUwQK/bG0WymW3I20P80d44RiU2NTDQ=; b=L1ytXpye5MuhonZ8pB2W1btB5Oeb34w0laG0j/EXM3my+24Kuf55dvRm H8KHkpSOK3Syoby+ZzXnMeY3elwZEF+duhSew8txOqe1QrBdOOeWXkw1i hmL+RmNHDFrafRtfyCgQfJmrvSOVLEygdpbUNSRdvO3Vn8/mksaTfNyG9 k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIDAATy0E2Q/khMgWdsb2JhbACmExQBARYmJYhwoDKdOoYZBJARhC+KSA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.64,373,1301875200"; d="scan'208";a="88691753" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 May 2011 09:49:43 +0000 Received: from Freds-Computer.local (ams3-vpn-dhcp4996.cisco.com [10.61.83.131]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4G9nb8M012929; Mon, 16 May 2011 09:49:42 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by Freds-Computer.local (PGP Universal service); Mon, 16 May 2011 11:49:43 +0200 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by Freds-Computer.local on Mon, 16 May 2011 11:49:43 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:49:27 +0200 Message-Id: <13672E5D-7EAE-446A-A8D8-BA85EF2CE72E@cisco.com> References: <4DB70FDA.6000507@mti-systems.com> <4DC2C9D2.8040703@freedesktop.org> <20110505091046.3c73e067@nehalam> <6E25D2CF-D0F0-4C41-BABC-4AB0C00862A6@pnsol.com> <35D8AC71C7BF46E29CC3118AACD97FA6@srichardlxp2> <1304964368.8149.202.camel@tardy> <4DD9A464-8845-49AA-ADC4-A0D36D91AAEC@cisco.com> <1305297321.8149.549.camel@tardy><014c01cc11a8$de78ac10$9b6a0430$@gross@avanw.com><8A928839-1D91-4F18-8252-F06BD004E37D@cisco.com><5946BA6B-4E00-43AF-A8A2-17FB3769F37B@cisco.com> <2EEFB9D5-E9CC-4612-8D91-F6B382E3C2FB@gmail.com> To: "Richard Scheffenegger" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:40:11 -0000 On May 16, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Richard Scheffenegger wrote: > Second, you wouldn't want to deploy basic 802.3x to any network = consisting of more than a single switch.=20 actually, it's pretty common practice. Three layers, even. People build = backbones, and then ring them with workgroup switches, and then put = small switches on their desks.=