From: Alex Burr <ajb44.geo@yahoo.com>
To: Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no>, Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] sigcomm wifi
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 02:18:41 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1408958321.57058.YahooMailNeo@web122502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <A46F4F5E-70D2-4398-9D1F-C94DD7CC84D1@ifi.uio.no>
> On Monday, August 25, 2014 9:34 AM, Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> >
> On 25. aug. 2014, at 10:19, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
>
>> What about framing the retransmissions not in number but rather in
> time? For example the maximum of either time to transmit a few (say 3?) packet
> at the current data rate (or maybe one rate lower than current to allow
> setoriating signal quality) or 20ms (pulled out of thin air, would need some
> research). The first should make sure we actually retransmit to overcome
> glitches, and the second should make sure that RTT does not increase to
> dramatically. This basically assumes that for reasonable interactive traffic we
> only have a given RTT budget and should make sure not to overspend ;)
>
> That would be VERY good I think!!!!
I agree.
A third reason for link-layer retransmission is to prevent glitches in video/audio
streams which aren't run over TCP and won't retransmit themselves. (This was basically
the reason link-layer retransmission got added to DSL, because telco's were keen that
their bundled TV didn't have glitches - in this case, due to noise, rather than collisions).
This is also very consistent with the idea of only retransmitting within a short period.
Alex
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-08-25 9:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-19 16:45 Dave Taht
2014-08-20 7:12 ` Eggert, Lars
2014-08-20 14:01 ` Dave Taht
2014-08-20 22:05 ` Jim Gettys
2014-08-21 6:52 ` Eggert, Lars
2014-08-21 7:11 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-21 8:30 ` David Lang
2014-08-22 23:07 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-22 23:50 ` David Lang
2014-08-23 19:26 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-23 23:29 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-23 23:40 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-23 23:49 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-24 1:33 ` David Lang
2014-08-24 2:29 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-24 5:12 ` David Lang
2014-08-24 6:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-24 8:24 ` David Lang
2014-08-24 9:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-25 7:25 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-30 7:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-31 20:46 ` Simon Barber
2014-08-25 7:35 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-24 1:09 ` David Lang
2014-08-25 8:01 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-25 8:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-08-25 8:33 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-25 9:18 ` Alex Burr [this message]
2014-08-31 22:37 ` David Lang
2014-08-31 23:09 ` Simon Barber
2014-09-01 0:25 ` David Lang
2014-09-01 2:14 ` Simon Barber
2014-08-31 22:35 ` David Lang
2014-08-21 6:56 ` David Lang
2014-08-21 7:04 ` David Lang
2014-08-21 9:46 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2014-08-21 19:49 ` David Lang
2014-08-21 19:57 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-22 17:07 ` Jan Ceuleers
2014-08-22 18:27 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-21 8:58 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-22 23:34 ` David Lang
2014-08-22 23:41 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-22 23:52 ` David Lang
2014-08-22 23:56 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-23 0:03 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-21 9:23 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-08-21 9:30 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-22 23:30 ` David Lang
2014-08-22 23:40 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-20 8:30 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-21 6:58 ` David Lang
2014-08-24 3:49 Hal Murray
2014-08-24 3:52 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-24 5:14 ` David Lang
2014-08-25 7:43 ` Michael Welzl
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