From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B121921F1CC for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79912016D; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 9640B63860; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8447463827; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:53:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Ing-Jyh Tsang In-Reply-To: <514B266E.8000000@alcatel-lucent.com> References: <25677.1363877592@sandelman.ca> <514B266E.8000000@alcatel-lucent.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.3-dev; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] other people's VLAN congestion X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:54:10 -0000 >>>>> "Ing-Jyh" == Ing-Jyh Tsang writes: Ing-Jyh> Those queues can and should be correctly managed and Ing-Jyh> configured. Both in terms of queue size and/or use of /RFC Ing-Jyh> 2697/ or /RFC 2698/ Ing-Jyh> , depend on each Ing-Jyh> operator and what they are selling (SLA) .... You'd think that, and the operator I know of is happy to sell an SLA for more money. But, the "best effort" service had the property that packets were never dropped, but were regularly late, even though my edge CPE equipment was prioriziting the way I wanted. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [