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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: "Steinar H. Gunderson" <sgunderson@bigfoot.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 21:28:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1429676935.18561.42.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150422040453.GB36239@sesse.net>

On Wed, 2015-04-22 at 06:04 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 08:35:21PM +1000, jb wrote:
> > As I understand it (I thought) SO_SNDBUF and SO_RCVBUF are socket buffers
> > for the application layer, they do not change the TCP window size either
> > send or receive.
> 
> I haven't gone into the code and checked, but from practical experience I
> think you're wrong. I've certainly seen positive effects (and verified with
> tcpdump) from reducing SO_SNDBUF on a server that should have no problems at
> all sending data really fast to the kernel.

Well, using SO_SNDBUF disables TCP autotuning.

Doing so :

Pros:

autotuning is known to enable TCP cubic to grow cwnd to bloat levels.
With small enough SO_SNDBUF, you limit this cwnd increase.

Cons:

Long rtt sessions might not have enough packets to utilize bandwidth.


> 
> Then again, this kind of manual tuning trickery got obsolete for me the
> moment sch_fq became available.

Note that I suppose the SO_MAX_PACING rate is really helping you.

Without it, TCP cubic is still allowed to 'fill the pipes' until packet
losses.




  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-22  4:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-19  5:26 jb
2015-04-19  7:36 ` David Lang
2015-04-19  7:48   ` David Lang
2015-04-19  9:33   ` jb
2015-04-19 10:45     ` David Lang
2015-04-19  8:28 ` Alex Burr
2015-04-19 10:20 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 10:46   ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 16:30     ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 17:41       ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 19:40         ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 20:53           ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-21  2:56             ` Simon Barber
2015-04-21  4:15               ` jb
2015-04-21  4:47                 ` David Lang
2015-04-21  7:35                   ` jb
2015-04-21  9:14                     ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-21 14:20                     ` David Lang
2015-04-21 14:25                       ` David Lang
2015-04-21 14:28                         ` David Lang
2015-04-21 22:13                           ` jb
2015-04-21 22:39                             ` Aaron Wood
2015-04-21 23:17                             ` jb
2015-04-22  2:14                               ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22  2:56                                 ` jb
2015-04-22 14:32                       ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 17:35                         ` David Lang
2015-04-23  1:37                           ` Simon Barber
2015-04-24 16:54                             ` David Lang
2015-04-24 17:00                               ` Rick Jones
2015-04-21  9:37                 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-21 10:35                   ` jb
2015-04-22  4:04                     ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22  4:28                       ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2015-04-22  8:51                         ` [Bloat] RE : " luca.muscariello
2015-04-22 12:02                           ` jb
2015-04-22 13:08                             ` Jonathan Morton
     [not found]                             ` <14ce17a7810.27f7.e972a4f4d859b00521b2b659602cb2f9@superduper.net>
2015-04-22 14:15                               ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 13:50                           ` [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 14:09                             ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 15:26                             ` [Bloat] RE : " luca.muscariello
2015-04-22 15:44                               ` [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 16:35                                 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 17:16                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 17:24                                     ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 17:28                                     ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 17:45                                       ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-23  5:27                                         ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-23  6:48                                           ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]                                             ` <CAH3Ss96VwE_fWNMOMOY4AgaEnVFtCP3rPDHSudOcHxckSDNMqQ@mail.gmail.com>
2015-04-23 10:08                                               ` jb
2015-04-24  8:18                                                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-24  8:29                                                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24  8:55                                                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-24  9:02                                                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 13:32                                                         ` jb
2015-04-24 13:58                                                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 16:51                                                           ` David Lang
2015-04-25  3:15                                                       ` Simon Barber
2015-04-25  4:04                                                         ` Dave Taht
2015-04-25  4:26                                                           ` Simon Barber
2015-04-25  6:03                                                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-27 16:39                                                               ` Dave Taht
2015-04-28  7:18                                                                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28  8:01                                                                   ` David Lang
2015-04-28  8:19                                                                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-28 15:42                                                                       ` David Lang
2015-04-28  8:38                                                                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 12:09                                                                       ` Rich Brown
2015-04-28 15:26                                                                         ` David Lang
2015-04-28 15:39                                                                       ` David Lang
2015-04-28 11:04                                                                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-28 11:49                                                                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 12:24                                                                         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-28 13:44                                                                           ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 19:09                                                                             ` Rick Jones
2015-04-28 14:06                                                                       ` Dave Taht
2015-04-28 14:02                                                                   ` Dave Taht
2015-05-06  5:08                                                               ` Simon Barber
2015-05-06  8:50                                                                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-06 15:30                                                                   ` Jim Gettys
2015-05-06 18:03                                                                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-06 20:25                                                                     ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-06 20:43                                                                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-05-07  7:33                                                                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07  4:29                                                                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07  7:08                                                                         ` jb
2015-05-07  7:18                                                                           ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-07  7:24                                                                             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07  7:40                                                                               ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07  9:16                                                                                 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 10:44                                                                                   ` jb
2015-05-07 11:36                                                                                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 11:44                                                                                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 13:10                                                                                       ` Jim Gettys
2015-05-07 13:18                                                                                         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 13:14                                                                                       ` jb
2015-05-07 13:26                                                                                         ` Neil Davies
2015-05-07 14:45                                                                                         ` Simon Barber
2015-05-07 22:27                                                                                           ` Dave Taht
2015-05-07 22:45                                                                                             ` Dave Taht
2015-05-07 23:09                                                                                             ` Dave Taht
2015-05-08  2:05                                                                                               ` jb
2015-05-08  4:16                                                                                                 ` David Lang
2015-05-08  3:54                                                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-05-08  4:20                                                                                                 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-08 13:20                                                                                     ` [Bloat] DSLReports Jitter/PDV test Rich Brown
2015-05-08 14:22                                                                                       ` jb
2015-05-07  7:37                                                                             ` [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07  7:19                                                                           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07  6:19                                                                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-25  3:23                                                       ` Simon Barber
2015-04-24 15:20                                                     ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
2015-04-25  2:24                                                   ` Simon Barber
2015-04-23 10:17                                             ` renaud sallantin
2015-04-23 14:10                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-23 14:38                                                 ` renaud sallantin
2015-04-23 15:52                                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-23 16:00                                                     ` Simon Barber
2015-04-23 13:17                                             ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 18:22                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 18:39                                         ` [Bloat] Pacing --- was " MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 19:05                                           ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-22 15:59                               ` [Bloat] RE : " Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 16:16                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 16:19                                 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-22 17:15                                   ` Rick Jones
2015-04-19 12:14 ` [Bloat] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-04-19 12:56 jb
2015-04-19 13:10 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 13:53   ` jb
2015-04-19 15:38     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 16:38       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 17:15         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-19 17:43           ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 19:22             ` Dave Taht
2015-04-23 17:03               ` Dave Taht
2015-04-23 18:04                 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-23 18:08                   ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-23 20:19                   ` jb
2015-04-23 20:39                     ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 21:45                     ` Rich Brown
2015-04-25  1:14                       ` jb
2015-04-23 21:44                   ` Rich Brown
2015-04-23 22:22                     ` Dave Taht
2015-04-23 22:29                       ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24  1:58                       ` Rich Brown
2015-04-24  2:40                         ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24  3:20                           ` Jim Gettys
2015-04-24  3:39                             ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24  4:04                               ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24  4:17                                 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 16:13                                   ` Rick Jones
2015-04-24  5:00                                 ` jb
2015-04-27 16:28                                   ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 16:09                               ` Rick Jones
2015-04-24 13:49                         ` Pedro Tumusok
2015-04-23 22:51                     ` David Lang
2015-04-24  1:38                       ` Rich Brown
2015-04-24  4:16                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-24  4:24                     ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 17:45           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 18:26             ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 18:30               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 19:15                 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-20  3:15                 ` Aaron Wood
2015-04-20  7:00                   ` jb
     [not found]                     ` <CACQiMXbF9Uk3H=81at-Z9a2fdYKrRtRorSXRg5dBcPB8-aR4Cw@mail.gmail.com>
2015-04-20  8:11                       ` jb
2015-04-19 19:19             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-19 21:57           ` Rich Brown
2015-04-19 23:21             ` jb
2015-04-20 14:51               ` David Lang
2015-04-20 15:51                 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-20 16:15                   ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19  0:57 Rich Brown
2015-04-19  4:01 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-20 14:33   ` Colin Dearborn
2015-04-19  8:29 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19  8:38   ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 12:21     ` jb
2015-04-19  9:17   ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-19 12:03     ` jb
2015-04-19 10:53 ` dikshie
2015-04-19 12:11   ` jb

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