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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] SO_SNDBUF and SO_RCVBUF
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 14:02:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1429736552.18561.144.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw4hmHS7J22RKzFxPjkwgOxOAYg0QXVkq6ioOGvENqhH1g@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, the real nice thing is TCP_NOTSENT_LOWAT added in linux-3.12




On Wed, 2015-04-22 at 12:28 -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
> SO_SNDLOWAT or something similar to it with a name I cannot recall,
> can be useful.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
> >
> >> As I understand it (I thought) SO_SNDBUF and SO_RCVBUF are socket buffers
> >> for the application layer, they do not change the TCP window size either
> >> send or receive. Which is perhaps why they aren't used much. They don't do
> >> much good in iperf that's for sure! Might be wrong, but I agree with the
> >> premise - auto-tuning should work.
> >
> > I sure expect them to do the obvious thing.
> >
> > man 7 socket says:
> >
> >        SO_SNDBUF
> >               Sets  or gets the maximum socket send buffer in bytes.
> >
> > It doesn't actually say that turns into the TCP window size.
> >
> > On Linux, there is a factor of 2 for overhead and whatever.
> >
> > man tcp says:
> >       TCP uses the extra space for administrative purposes and inter-
> >        nal kernel structures, and the /proc file  values  reflect  the  larger
> >        sizes  compared  to the actual TCP windows.
> >
> > So it looks like the number you feed it turns into the window size.
> >
> > A few quick tests with netperf confirm that it is doing something close to
> > what I expect but I haven't fired up tcpdump to verify that the window size
> > is what I asked for.  netperf does print out values that are 2x what I asked
> > for.
> >
> > Yuck.  (That's Yuck at Linux, not netperf.)
> >
> >
> > --
> > These are my opinions.  I hate spam.
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-22 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-22 19:10 Hal Murray
2015-04-22 19:26 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-22 19:28 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-22 21:02   ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2015-04-22 21:05     ` Rick Jones
2015-04-22 21:46       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 22:20         ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 23:08           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-24  4:37       ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24  4:40         ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 13:50           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-24 14:34             ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 16:31             ` Rick Jones
2015-04-24 18:41               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-24  5:23         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 21:07     ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 21:42       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 21:47         ` Dave Taht
2015-04-22 22:11         ` Steinar H. Gunderson

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