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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: "Steinar H. Gunderson" <sgunderson@bigfoot.com>
Cc: Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] SO_SNDBUF and SO_RCVBUF
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 14:42:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1429738979.18561.150.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150422210740.GA31348@sesse.net>

On Wed, 2015-04-22 at 23:07 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 02:02:32PM -0700, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > Yeah, the real nice thing is TCP_NOTSENT_LOWAT added in linux-3.12
> 
> But this is only for when your data could change underway, right? 
> Like, not relevant for sending one big file, but might be relevant for e.g.
> VNC (or someone mentioned the usecase of HTTP/2, where a high-priority
> request might come in, which you don't want buried behind a megabyte of
> stuff in the send queue).

Sorry, I do not understand you.

The nice thing about TCP_NOTSENT_LOWAT is that you no longer have to
care about choosing the 'right SO_SNDBUF'

It is still CC responsibility to choose/set cwnd, but you hadn't set an
artificial cap on cwnd.

You control the amount of 'unsent data' per socket.

If you set a low limit, application might have to issue more send()
calls and get more EPOLLOUT events.

This also means that if you get an abort / eof, you no longer have a
huge unsent queue that TCP API does not allow to cancel.

https://insouciant.org/tech/prioritization-only-works-when-theres-pending-data-to-prioritize/



  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-22 21:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-22 19:10 Hal Murray
2015-04-22 19:26 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-22 19:28 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-22 21:02   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 21:05     ` Rick Jones
2015-04-22 21:46       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 22:20         ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 23:08           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-24  4:37       ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24  4:40         ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 13:50           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-24 14:34             ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 16:31             ` Rick Jones
2015-04-24 18:41               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-24  5:23         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 21:07     ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 21:42       ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2015-04-22 21:47         ` Dave Taht
2015-04-22 22:11         ` Steinar H. Gunderson

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