From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15BCA3B29D for ; Sun, 16 May 2021 16:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9E738E2A; Sun, 16 May 2021 16:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id yO_NFk-dFDjo; Sun, 16 May 2021 16:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2:56b2:3ff:fe0b:d84]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94BE38C9A; Sun, 16 May 2021 16:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947C5FB1; Sun, 16 May 2021 16:44:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Jonathan Morton cc: john , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <487B5EAD-6FEE-482C-919E-D1F1B7166530@gmail.com> References: <6d93a3cf-7907-c50b-7903-79bd638b5766@indexexchange.com> <487B5EAD-6FEE-482C-919E-D1F1B7166530@gmail.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Bloat] Terminology for Laypeople X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 20:44:19 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Jonathan Morton wrote: > So instead of just loading ready-made bags of firewood into my trailer, > I have to wait for the trimming team to get around to taking the > branches off "my" tree which is waiting behind a dozen others. The > branches then go into a big stack of branches waiting for the chopping > machine. When they eventually get around to chopping those, the > firewood is carefully put in a separate pile, waiting for the weighing > and bagging. Your analogy is definitely the result of optimizing for batches rather than latency. (JIT manufacturing in general and much of _The Goal_ talks about the business side of this, btw) But, I don't think that it's a great explanation for grandma. The fetching milk analogy is a bit better, but still not great. John@matrix8, how did it work for you? Explaining this is pretty important. (Thanks for the slide Jonathan) -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmChhB0ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXwIgf/WIxYUJFrGv1LQ101I7BOg6MULqUF8PlFiavCaZ9VjMtDPw70uZiQ47AH N4wgcgceqYh0jtLJziq+nG4V9PCoPso8uMM4PdCLHBm/QiSwefh9LVQvv3G0qymU 4mKQYUE8hHLZ+junPbenjZV9QN6Z9Gc4NdGCsq1GDIVJYMyXBhybYFPsEq/FxlMi xOIGDEFMEC8hYGBFsQzqc4R75kBi49zT7ADVOaaGJQx1cwdPurjD0I8MVpWjtv84 zHmwsP4vU5SnEM/o5q3FXErUdYWGALXXGSNpvOB8OhDczge52Zi4+Yq06yaaEwhZ DF9m4xZrs86fKgr7mZOCHKGueYbBvA== =ZC8h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--