From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vsmta11-2.nsc.no (vip22scan.telenor.net [148.123.15.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6899A3CB3B for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.110.251.167] ([153.110.251.167:51971] helo=ilp-smtp01.man.cosng.net) by vsmta11-2.nsc.no (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.22.53981 r(Core:3.6.22.0)) with ESMTPS (cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) id BC/67-00748-530A18A5; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:09:57 +0100 Received: from TNS-SKO-24-204.corp.telenor.no (TNS-SKO-24-204.corp.telenor.no [10.179.59.72]) by ilp-smtp01.man.cosng.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAD2201A3; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:09:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from TNS-SKO-24-213.corp.telenor.no (10.179.59.81) by TNS-SKO-24-204.corp.telenor.no (10.179.59.72) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1347.2; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:09:57 +0100 Received: from TNS-SKO-24-208.corp.telenor.no (10.179.59.76) by TNS-SKO-24-213.corp.telenor.no (10.179.59.81) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1347.2; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:09:56 +0100 Received: from TNS-SKO-24-208.corp.telenor.no ([fe80::b024:7a41:ba33:25b6]) by TNS-SKO-24-208.corp.telenor.no ([fe80::b024:7a41:ba33:25b6%12]) with mapi id 15.00.1347.000; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:09:56 +0100 From: To: , Thread-Topic: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. Thread-Index: AQHTo55lhEgcqyt/cE28/+iHQw+VuqOgzrHg Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:09:56 +0000 Message-ID: <1518444596433.8187@telenor.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nb-NO, en-US Content-Language: nb-NO X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.181.50.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SCAN_VERDICT: is-suspicious_url Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:09:59 -0000 Good post! I'm spreading this internally in Telenor (ISP and mobile operat= ion). Trying to educate the Mobile side before we start building 5G. -Erik ________________________________ Fra: Bloat p=E5 vegne av Jim Gettys <= jg@freedesktop.org> Sendt: 12. februar 2018 02:11 Til: bloat Emne: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. My version is up: dunno why the ietf web site doesn't have it up yet (It wa= s supposed to go up 7pm ET). https://gettys.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant/ We will push this on social media first thing in the morning. Those of you= in Europe, please do so as well (it's best to get the ball rolling in the = morning in Europe before the western hemisphere wakes up). Thank you all for all of your help. I have tried to credit everyone approp= riately as best I can. All the best, Jim