From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp122.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp122.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C02183CB3A for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp16.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp16.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 77F2B58E4; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) X-SMTPDoctor-Processed: csmtpprox beta Received: from smtp16.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp16.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 733216181; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from app14.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp16.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 54BF358E4; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@deepplum.com Received: from app14.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.12); Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:16:01 -0400 Received: from deepplum.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by app14.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392256005D; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@deepplum.com, from: dpreed@deepplum.com) with HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: dpreed@deepplum.com Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "David P. Reed" To: "Dave Taht" Cc: "cerowrt-devel" , "bloat" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_20190328141601000000_19352" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: html In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1553796961.229623922@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/16.2.2-RC Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] plenty of huawei in the news today X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 18:16:01 -0000 ------=_20190328141601000000_19352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AThe NYTimes has become a mouthpiece for those who want to see China as t= he new evil empire. Recent pieces by David Sanger have hyped the idea that = the US has a "5G Gap" and that China (Huawei) will threaten to conquer the = world with 5G superiority, so we should be vigilantly opposing Huawei.=0A = =0AWorth noting that Cisco, ALU, ... are not any better than Huawei appears= to be in these matters. But they aren't getting headlines in the NYTimes.= =0A =0ARemember, Judith Miller wrote NYTimes headlines based on "leaks from= senior intelligence officials" that Saddam Hussein was on the verge of dep= loying dirty bombs, nuclear missiles and biowarfare agents.=0A =0ARecently,= Bloomberg got scammed by "leaks from senior intelligence officials" that S= upermicro (Chinese) had built and sold server motherboards that had special= chips soldered into them that didn't belong there [the stories were comple= tely debunked by the companies supposedly targeted].=0A =0APersonally, I th= ink the cynical fearmongering here does the legitimate security engineering= community no good at all. It's just more "wag the dog" psyops, designed to= let all the pseudo-security-experts take over the story and get their 15 m= inutes in the headlines.=0A =0AThe Qualcomms and Ciscos of the US are happy= to get the USG to help scare countries off of Chinese brandnames. But the = open secret is that Qualcomm and Cisco's systems are designed and made in C= hina, too. There's no US manufacturing of switches, and precious few entire= ly American hardware design centers, either.=0A =0ASo be a little skeptical= . Check the story behind the story. Don't believe stories based on "intelli= gence agency" leaks.=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: "Dave Taht" <= dave.taht@gmail.com>=0ASent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:55pm=0ATo: "cerowrt= -devel" , "bloat" =0ASubject: [Cerowrt-devel] plenty of huawei in the news today=0A= =0A=0A=0Ahttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/technology/huawei-security-brit= ish-report.html=0A=0A-- =0A=0ADave T=C3=A4ht=0ACTO, TekLibre, LLC=0Ahttp://= www.teklibre.com=0ATel: 1-831-205-9740=0A__________________________________= _____________=0ACerowrt-devel mailing list=0ACerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloa= t.net=0Ahttps://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ------=_20190328141601000000_19352 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The NYTimes has become= a mouthpiece for those who want to see China as the new evil empire. Recen= t pieces by David Sanger have hyped the idea that the US has a "5G Gap" and= that China (Huawei) will threaten to conquer the world with 5G superiority= , so we should be vigilantly opposing Huawei.

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Worth noting that Cisco, ALU, ... are not a= ny better than Huawei appears to be in these matters. But they aren't getti= ng headlines in the NYTimes.

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Remember, Judith Miller wrote NYTimes headlines based on "le= aks from senior intelligence officials" that Saddam Hussein was on the verg= e of deploying dirty bombs, nuclear missiles and biowarfare agents.

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Recently, Bloomberg g= ot scammed by "leaks from senior intelligence officials" that Supermicro (C= hinese) had built and sold server motherboards that had special chips solde= red into them that didn't belong there [the stories were completely debunke= d by the companies supposedly targeted].

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Personally, I think the cynical fearmongering he= re does the legitimate security engineering community no good at all. It's = just more "wag the dog" psyops, designed to let all the pseudo-security-exp= erts take over the story and get their 15 minutes in the headlines.

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The Qualcomms and Cis= cos of the US are happy to get the USG to help scare countries off of Chine= se brandnames. But the open secret is that Qualcomm and Cisco's systems are= designed and made in China, too. There's no US manufacturing of switches, = and precious few entirely American hardware design centers, either.

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So be a little skepti= cal. Check the story behind the story. Don't believe stories based on "inte= lligence agency" leaks.

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Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] plenty of huawei in the n= ews today

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/technology/huawei-security-bri= tish-report.html

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