From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp119.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp119.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 929B83B2A4 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 14:41:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=g001.emailsrvr.com; s=20190322-9u7zjiwi; t=1592073681; bh=MBY3N2cW1OuxGzCyovn+nfrdeNOhle3SVLRa31La31I=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:From; b=MqqzWu7rGE6iaTYh2YzGrXf6m3NA/iHuD8yQnQupyZahF1vBFPIxZ6hilQ++BXjdI UEGiDQVAsBl5gu0stxkxu+bYZQPveBN1XgMfKRfho/TkpZdIkwdh1T2BRAcCQ0O/rQ h2tWPLwUUs5FnNrgq1BydIGoTuMsCJH57hZaTT7k= Received: from app39.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp23.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 36F3C24F08; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 14:41:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@deepplum.com Received: from app39.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.12); Sat, 13 Jun 2020 14:41:20 -0400 Received: from deepplum.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by app39.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBB021175; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 14:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@deepplum.com, from: dpreed@deepplum.com) with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 14:41:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: dpreed@deepplum.com Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 14:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "David P. Reed" To: "David Lang" Cc: "Michael Richardson" , "David Lang" , "Jonathan Morton" , "bloat" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_20200613144121000000_31463" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: html In-Reply-To: References: <1591891396.41838464@apps.rackspace.com> <1591901205.85717618@apps.rackspace.com> <1591902977.45963161@apps.rackspace.com> <12673.1591976376@localhost> Message-ID: <1592073681.126716238@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/17.3.12-RC X-Classification-ID: 6ba6a961-9297-4fea-aa37-4d2ba4f916a2-1-1 Subject: Re: [Bloat] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Ajit Pai caves to SpaceX but is still skeptical of Musk's latency claims X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 18:41:21 -0000 ------=_20200613144121000000_31463 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AOn Saturday, June 13, 2020 1:43am, "David Lang" said:=0A= =0A=0A> Remember, Musk already sacked the starlink leadership once for bei= ng to stuck in=0A> 'the way satellites are always built' so if it doesn't w= ork well under load and=0A> they can't fix it, he will find people who can.= =0A =0AHe just might. Depends on who he asks. The fact that ATT literally c= ouldn't fix its network for at least a year, and spent most of that year bl= aming Apple and the design of the iPhone, asking the right people isn't wha= t arrogant organizations are good at. And firing people appeals to those wh= o think Trump is brilliant as a manager - he appeals because he says "you'r= e fired". I think sacking whole teams is an indication of someone who has r= isen to his level of incompetence, but that's just my opinion.=0A =0A =0A ------=_20200613144121000000_31463 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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He j= ust might. Depends on who he asks. The fact that ATT literally couldn't fix= its network for at least a year, and spent most of that year blaming Apple= and the design of the iPhone, asking the right people isn't what arrogant = organizations are good at. And firing people appeals to those who think Tru= mp is brilliant as a manager - he appeals because he says "you're fired". I= think sacking whole teams is an indication of someone who has risen to his= level of incompetence, but that's just my opinion.

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