From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa1-x30.google.com (mail-oa1-x30.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E3BE3CB37 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 08:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-oa1-x30.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-21edca2a89dso2958644fac.3 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 05:36:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709127389; x=1709732189; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version:from :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=s4Ij1tLy12QDHnOUNrJRZfzMfZ4tg2p5LY3UXNxRFYg=; b=MlZeBXqnddgxvm3Ou8h0WSu7/f602xyE/LdzCyiAF0f1fnPLfmoIWHCc/BnFjDRq1b w9LNcA8Q6lAX4INSb0mK6sUUvy/cE31+3jvlqMNDV/E6W1+b1ZQprTYXT6DKUwb3oFW+ Yz1o5BYMMn2uDUQyu005SpDaxGOWZOu8PRqFNEqyJ03ws7FWnV4+W5sD4KDaomU3odom k9V9mzzbpOr/uXreNmNdE9X7SduiG3lNp/oIT7Rh3ecZMdBIsofrSjtzmJqvwWf4sLIz aG6Jc1BkdiGJebqzUmcebyvw0b/d3PRvhWjwFGiXQkDo2XPoozvKZOn4AcczuiWx01R2 XQyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709127389; x=1709732189; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version:from :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=s4Ij1tLy12QDHnOUNrJRZfzMfZ4tg2p5LY3UXNxRFYg=; b=fJqer9MJ87GvMdz7YbjcXw2Vhho8lgyCfcIGB3+VVIKOrK7KVKYzhtA9xrP0DmipCv tv79tLnRIALFxP8dLha+7IdndYRMGQj0hr4igR+RKaQ6akTDNFHLNHC2Vdf2LT4BVq2p hQxRulgh3LelRSZWO9xI0U6EtRtr/PanCLNOHWPze439Ekq3hXOyAHLJ8AdtRtS2NPAa xrJQl/j1SbhHH6di0y19cgwzVQhqn7dFmV91aI5Izt0qeTdIR8M+bG2H8FmSi5YyfSv7 kfwaT6wxNrncwBSvr6m+diy8diYef55465xwqfqJhfyzPRwVeBLBu74nGgIphNjZLQqo gJ7g== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCVWEDkXhNOXQUBxBJfWEi5koiAP3sz0XGLyUnXaOLTugQ9R15PW+fIzFzLMO0U+saJQu6MalBIpFd1mTib3LxGqHQLBqmFug75uxRM= X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzsGM1lhtLOWUoQVzLKvMU3o6bYQGdRm0PiYlrIO4J2tBl5FZXJ +S//U3ADisnM4GNeNQek5+0fODgWMfFCDtnPQAqwlVBR0e3v/ekBXDn9UeC6 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG1b1soaxjL5svQA7M+Zfa00n8aBINBKCkdrsCCB3F0LYHkvw8aDZxybXPxso1b6vs2Z2F+gw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:353:b0:219:28af:f8a6 with SMTP id n19-20020a056870035300b0021928aff8a6mr13134909oaf.56.1709127388755; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 05:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.40]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id wg21-20020a05620a569500b0078722793b6csm4590080qkn.48.2024.02.28.05.36.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Feb 2024 05:36:28 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_18FF6688-C720-48D6-8E9E-DF01D9CE5464" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 08:36:27 -0500 References: <30F7E4EF-906B-41CD-9EDE-179106E8BFCF@gmail.com> <874jdsizp5.wl-jch@irif.fr> <8s2q08r1-p4s0-2pns-3s2q-334s7np6947o@ynat.uz> To: David Lang , bloat In-Reply-To: <8s2q08r1-p4s0-2pns-3s2q-334s7np6947o@ynat.uz> Message-Id: <167EF7EA-0C28-4794-960F-F25AD56881DB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) Subject: Re: [Bloat] mDNS X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 13:36:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_18FF6688-C720-48D6-8E9E-DF01D9CE5464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not advocating that we change the default OpenWrt address from = 192.168.1.1 That's welded too deeply into our synapses (and = documentation). But this proposal will benefit newcomers for the reasons = described below. > On Feb 28, 2024, at 7:17 AM, David Lang wrote: >=20 > remember, you don't need to randomly pick something, you just need to = have a couple networks, figure out if one is in use by the WAN and if so = pick the other. Remember, too, that this proposal is designed to solve problems for = first-time users. This lets them avoid reading an entire page of = documentation that explains how to find their ISP's assigned subnet, and = then set their new OpenWrt device LAN to use a different subnet. This won't affect experienced OpenWrt users. On an initial = flash/configuration, they'll know they can use 192.168.1.0/24 because = they know their upstream device configuration. Or they can log in using = the mDNS name and configure it themselves. > I will say that 192.168.0 and 192.168.1 are very commonly used, so = anything other than those a better default >=20 > personally, I like 192.168.255 as people tend to forget that's a valid = network. So... Is there any reason not to incorporate this into the OpenWrt = default build? Thanks again. -- Rich= --Apple-Mail=_18FF6688-C720-48D6-8E9E-DF01D9CE5464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm not advocating that we change the default OpenWrt = address from 192.168.1.1 That's welded too deeply into our synapses (and = documentation). But this proposal will benefit newcomers for the reasons = described below.

On Feb 28, 2024, at 7:17 AM, David Lang = <david@lang.hm> = wrote:

remember, you don't need to = randomly pick something, you just need to have a couple networks, figure = out if one is in use by the WAN and if so pick the other.

Remember, too, = that this proposal is designed to solve problems for first-time users. = This lets them avoid reading an entire page of documentation that = explains how to find their ISP's assigned subnet, and then set their new = OpenWrt device LAN to use a different subnet.

This won't affect experienced OpenWrt users. On an = initial flash/configuration, they'll know they can use 192.168.1.0/24 = because they know their upstream device configuration. Or they can log = in using the mDNS name and configure it themselves.

I will say that 192.168.0 and = 192.168.1 are very commonly used, so anything other than those a better = default

personally, I = like 192.168.255 as people tend to forget that's a valid = network.

So... Is there any reason not to incorporate this = into the OpenWrt default build? Thanks again.

-- Rich
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