From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3C873CB38 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2024 19:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2654E3899E for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2024 19:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id RmMWysHR7Xju for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2024 19:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3803899D for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2024 19:41:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sandelman.ca; s=mail; t=1720827688; bh=hP8bbMMaxr0cdRj1WXDW225jU5Wdu/RV7ZfuA6JY6+M=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=D1SX49bgW3XMjDPU0Kd2LZmQfGFGDcSKaw3/ioSZkl5hw4J7p7tjerLTJqIMWuqaH 9/DSCIfpbOvF+AVhVpHIBd3hf/7LIzgAYOZgW+mZIwKa9Iqh+r4VsMRzrCIWvPb0my z9oJ4FJlZhMBS5jERpY2n2loWKdRh1QYeUaKUYtd/le86+Bj00oMVGHDil+9rCg81A kS9+qXONfwfQzujQnu+DpOj4S3g8ES0s6ki0NLJvXiByEiVCEHDcjrSDnDZQ10voD5 80RjNitZKr8ZJykQooXvTexNjm0ZP0t2UpXgD8oHqmlSiMtHCdSEB2KbmW4MBlVUb9 07NQlpaE/WmIQ== Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D64375 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2024 19:41:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: bloat In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.8+dev; GNU Emacs 28.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Bloat] Global CDN Services Market About $5B in 2023, Expected To Grow 3% X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 23:41:30 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Lower latency for video demand means that I can stop/rewind/scroll with less annoyance. We saw this in the demos that showed up at IETF hackathons a few years ago. Customers are *not* demanding that, because: a) they don't know it's about latency. b) the end users experience the pain, not the netflix/disney+/etc. people c) it's hard for CDN people to actually do anything about last-mile bloat. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFFBAEBCgAvFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmaRvygRHG1jckBzYW5k ZWxtYW4uY2EACgkQgItw+93Q3WXuhwgApHKApjJV4707GvPsiB5duGzAKu+Ujna+ M5XEfNSRLRTgU+32XBLh6zTK0TJfEqPNTArZRmzpBz3KteVRK4ByL7gUaY7Tvst/ /GWepMLsEc/iI0pvAOxWdFySQlu0VPCjPz41PBuFp8XqUVrgT5pvC2Jg6epCvHYL 8cT3EoGZc/cySTEILEzCux0oYrfneJy6xjjMxiuazoE7Z5Yz/QDJ/zJWZTuBzvmg mQSLwsaOMfWo7zWlRAbK98+/o6yPGgWkx2yGVVAMtqJeAYiVPcrtbP+au9ygnKc/ r+VdrWJ3aiaPGc2Fpk56vRrGpRxmsK4iOf+eJJQfYR5conM6XF7iQg== =xtjs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--