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From: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
To: "Dave Täht" <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] fq_codel on macosx
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 17:35:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18C47A2A-2539-4E70-9D86-7A00313C2203@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw41TO9=WN+1_CCWva1e2C4ZBQQntdKogAJ8Zek3KN73vg@mail.gmail.com>

I ran a quick rrul_cs8 test and I see some counters are actually increasing, though most stay at zero (which might be okay, I have no shaper configured on the macbook):


macbook:~ user$ sudo netstat -I en0 -qq
en0:
     [ sched:  FQ_CODEL  qlength:    0/128 ]
     [ pkts:          0  bytes:          0  dropped pkts:    480 bytes:  77809 ]
=====================================================
     [ pri: VO (1)	srv_cl: 0x400180	quantum: 600	drr_max: 8 ]
     [ queued pkts: 0	bytes: 0 ]
     [ dequeued pkts: 223138	bytes: 77920371 ]
     [ budget: 0	target qdelay: 10.00 msec	update interval:100.00 msec ]
     [ flow control: 0	feedback: 0	stalls: 0	failed: 0 ]
     [ drop overflow: 0	early: 0	memfail: 0	duprexmt:0 ]
     [ flows total: 0	new: 0	old: 0 ]
     [ throttle on: 0	off: 0	drop: 0 ]
=====================================================
     [ pri: VI (2)	srv_cl: 0x380100	quantum: 3000	drr_max: 6 ]
     [ queued pkts: 0	bytes: 0 ]
     [ dequeued pkts: 1290573	bytes: 156658208 ]
     [ budget: 0	target qdelay: 10.00 msec	update interval:100.00 msec ]
     [ flow control: 0	feedback: 0	stalls: 0	failed: 0 ]
     [ drop overflow: 0	early: 0	memfail: 0	duprexmt:0 ]
     [ flows total: 0	new: 0	old: 0 ]
     [ throttle on: 0	off: 0	drop: 0 ]
=====================================================
     [ pri: BE (7)	srv_cl: 0x0	quantum: 1500	drr_max: 4 ]
     [ queued pkts: 0	bytes: 0 ]
     [ dequeued pkts: 6910907	bytes: 1684837312 ]
     [ budget: 0	target qdelay: 10.00 msec	update interval:100.00 msec ]
     [ flow control: 1	feedback: 1	stalls: 0	failed: 0 ]
     [ drop overflow: 0	early: 0	memfail: 0	duprexmt:0 ]
     [ flows total: 0	new: 0	old: 0 ]
     [ throttle on: 0	off: 0	drop: 0 ]
=====================================================
     [ pri: BK (8)	srv_cl: 0x100080	quantum: 1500	drr_max: 2 ]
     [ queued pkts: 0	bytes: 0 ]
     [ dequeued pkts: 1535662	bytes: 438122731 ]
     [ budget: 0	target qdelay: 10.00 msec	update interval:100.00 msec ]
     [ flow control: 0	feedback: 0	stalls: 0	failed: 0 ]
     [ drop overflow: 0	early: 0	memfail: 0	duprexmt:0 ]
     [ flows total: 0	new: 0	old: 0 ]
     [ throttle on: 0	off: 0	drop: 0 ]
macbook:~ user $ 


I also have the impression, that VI seems to be optimized for ~2 MTUs probably to elicit one ACK per txop?

Best Regards
	Sebastian


> On Sep 8, 2018, at 17:24, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 8:12 AM Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> Jason Woringen just told me that macosx seems to include fq_codel now as well as some involved priority queues that I can not make much sense of. It might simply have inherited this from its freebsd underpinnings...
> 
> Wow. I had no idea. I know that they enabled tcp ecn universally last
> year... but not fq_codel!! Holy cow!
> 
> Same here on my air....
> 
> daves-Air-3:wiki d$ netstat -I en0 -qq
> 
> en0:
> 
>     [ sched:  FQ_CODEL  qlength:    0/128 ]
> 
>     [ pkts:          0  bytes:          0  dropped pkts:  13262
> bytes: 8469105 ]
> 
> =====================================================
> 
>     [ pri: VO (1) srv_cl: 0x400180 quantum: 600 drr_max: 8 ]
> 
>     [ queued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
> 
>     [ dequeued pkts: 380295 bytes: 47356766 ]
> 
>     [ budget: 0 target qdelay: 10.00 msec update interval:100.00 msec ]
> 
>     [ flow control: 0 feedback: 0 stalls: 0 failed: 0 ]
> 
>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0 memfail: 0 duprexmt:0 ]
> 
>     [ flows total: 0 new: 0 old: 0 ]
> 
>     [ throttle on: 0 off: 0 drop: 0 ]
> 
> =====================================================
> 
>     [ pri: VI (2) srv_cl: 0x380100 quantum: 3000 drr_max: 6 ]
> 
>     [ queued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
> 
>     [ dequeued pkts: 4339 bytes: 321840 ]
> 
>     [ budget: 0 target qdelay: 10.00 msec update interval:100.00 msec ]
> 
>     [ flow control: 0 feedback: 0 stalls: 0 failed: 0 ]
> 
>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0 memfail: 0 duprexmt:0 ]
> 
>     [ flows total: 0 new: 0 old: 0 ]
> 
>     [ throttle on: 0 off: 0 drop: 0 ]
> 
> =====================================================
> 
>     [ pri: BE (7) srv_cl: 0x0 quantum: 1500 drr_max: 4 ]
> 
>     [ queued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
> 
>     [ dequeued pkts: 40497473 bytes: 11269032336 ]
> 
>     [ budget: 0 target qdelay: 10.00 msec update interval:100.00 msec ]
> 
>     [ flow control: 86 feedback: 86 stalls: 4 failed: 0 ]
> 
>     [ drop overflow: 3116 early: 854 memfail: 0 duprexmt:0 ]
> 
>     [ flows total: 0 new: 0 old: 0 ]
> 
>     [ throttle on: 0 off: 0 drop: 0 ]
> 
> =====================================================
> 
>     [ pri: BK (8) srv_cl: 0x100080 quantum: 1500 drr_max: 2 ]
> 
>     [ queued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
> 
>     [ dequeued pkts: 1553687 bytes: 358969659 ]
> 
>     [ budget: 0 target qdelay: 10.00 msec update interval:100.00 msec ]
> 
>     [ flow control: 0 feedback: 0 stalls: 0 failed: 0 ]
> 
>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0 memfail: 0 duprexmt:0 ]
> 
>     [ flows total: 0 new: 0 old: 0 ]
> 
> 
> 
>> en4 is 1Gbps ethernet
>> macbook:~ user$ netstat -I en4 -qq
>> en4:
>>     [ sched:  FQ_CODEL  qlength:    0/128 ]
>>     [ pkts:        100  bytes:      28920  dropped pkts:      1 bytes:    342 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: CTL (0)     srv_cl: 0x480190        quantum: 600    drr_max: 8 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 91        bytes: 27706 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay:  5.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: VO (1)      srv_cl: 0x400180        quantum: 600    drr_max: 8 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay:  5.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: VI (2)      srv_cl: 0x380100        quantum: 3000   drr_max: 6 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay:  5.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: RV (3)      srv_cl: 0x300110        quantum: 3000   drr_max: 6 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay:  5.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: AV (4)      srv_cl: 0x280120        quantum: 3000   drr_max: 6 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay:  5.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: OAM (5)     srv_cl: 0x200020        quantum: 1500   drr_max: 4 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay:  5.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: RD (6)      srv_cl: 0x180010        quantum: 1500   drr_max: 4 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay:  5.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: BE (7)      srv_cl: 0x0     quantum: 1500   drr_max: 4 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 9 bytes: 1214 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay:  5.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: BK (8)      srv_cl: 0x100080        quantum: 1500   drr_max: 2 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay:  5.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: BK_SYS (9)  srv_cl: 0x80090 quantum: 1500   drr_max: 2 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 0 bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay:  5.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> macbook:~ user$
>> 
>> 
>> and on wifi (en0)
>> macbook:~ user $ netstat -I en0 -qq
>> en0:
>>     [ sched:  FQ_CODEL  qlength:    0/128 ]
>>     [ pkts:          0  bytes:          0  dropped pkts:    480 bytes:  77809 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: VO (1)      srv_cl: 0x400180        quantum: 600    drr_max: 8 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 72537     bytes: 7015758 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay: 10.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: VI (2)      srv_cl: 0x380100        quantum: 3000   drr_max: 6 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 1139670   bytes: 80872250 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay: 10.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: BE (7)      srv_cl: 0x0     quantum: 1500   drr_max: 4 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 6737285   bytes: 1608200668 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay: 10.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 1  feedback: 1     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> =====================================================
>>     [ pri: BK (8)      srv_cl: 0x100080        quantum: 1500   drr_max: 2 ]
>>     [ queued pkts: 0   bytes: 0 ]
>>     [ dequeued pkts: 1396402   bytes: 382861004 ]
>>     [ budget: 0        target qdelay: 10.00 msec       update interval:100.00 msec ]
>>     [ flow control: 0  feedback: 0     stalls: 0       failed: 0 ]
>>     [ drop overflow: 0 early: 0        memfail: 0      duprexmt:0 ]
>>     [ flows total: 0   new: 0  old: 0 ]
>>     [ throttle on: 0   off: 0  drop: 0 ]
>> macbook:~ user $
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Dave Täht
> CEO, TekLibre, LLC
> http://www.teklibre.com
> Tel: 1-669-226-2619


  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-08 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-08 15:12 Sebastian Moeller
2018-09-08 15:24 ` Dave Taht
2018-09-08 15:35   ` Sebastian Moeller [this message]
2018-09-08 15:54   ` Dave Taht
2018-09-08 21:17   ` Pete Heist
2018-09-08 21:58     ` Dave Taht
2018-09-09 18:49       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-09 18:51         ` Jonathan Morton
2018-09-09 20:38           ` Dave Taht

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