[Bloat] 80Mbit streaming

[Bloat] 80Mbit streaming

[Dave Taht]

https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/23/10/05/154219/sonys-high-bitrate-movie-service-is-now-available-on-ps5-and-ps4

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Re: [Bloat] 80Mbit streaming

[Sebastian Moeller]

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Now finally, a use case that needs at least a ~100Mbps link... question is, how much better than the competitors streaming this is going to look?

On 5 October 2023 19:04:37 CEST, Dave Taht via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/23/10/05/154219/sonys-high-bitrate-movie-service-is-now-available-on-ps5-and-ps4
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Re: [Bloat] 80Mbit streaming

[jf]

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Video is probably as good as a UHD disc, but will they include the same high-rez uncompressed audio, including Atmos?

For content I want to own, I will keep buying physical media until I can’t.

But Apple Music did get me to nearly stop my CD purchases. It’s primarily high-rez immersive audio Blu-rays I buy.
Until I can stream in that quality, I’m sticking with atoms.

> On Oct 5, 2023, at 2:31 PM, Sebastian Moeller via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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> Now finally, a use case that needs at least a ~100Mbps link... question is, how much better than the competitors streaming this is going to look?
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> On 5 October 2023 19:04:37 CEST, Dave Taht via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/23/10/05/154219/sonys-high-bitrate-movie-service-is-now-available-on-ps5-and-ps4
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Re: [Bloat] 80Mbit streaming

[Michael Richardson]

Sebastian Moeller via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
    > Now finally, a use case that needs at least a ~100Mbps link... question
    > is, how much better than the competitors streaming this is going to
    > look?

What's the point?  My eyesight isn't actually that good :-)

Re: [Bloat] 80Mbit streaming

[Sebastian Moeller]

On 5 October 2023 21:53:55 CEST, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>Sebastian Moeller via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>    > Now finally, a use case that needs at least a ~100Mbps link... question
>    > is, how much better than the competitors streaming this is going to
>    > look?
>
>What's the point?  My eyesight isn't actually that good :-)

Mine neither... from my low-fi perspective, anything up to ~full hd (1920x1080) was a noticeable improvement, but e.g. going to 4K on a 43" screen does not feel any better... 
My comment was driven mostly by the observation that we are at a stage where (at the forefront of deployment) we make rates available far beyond what is necessary, e.g. in Switzerland xgspon which is marketed as up to 10 Gbps per user. The only things so far are 'more parallel' and 'faster downloads',  so the 80 Mbps streaming is novel in a sense even though of arguable utility.

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Re: [Bloat] 80Mbit streaming

[David Lang]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, Sebastian Moeller via Bloat wrote:

> On 5 October 2023 21:53:55 CEST, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>> Sebastian Moeller via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>    > Now finally, a use case that needs at least a ~100Mbps link... question
>>    > is, how much better than the competitors streaming this is going to
>>    > look?
>>
>> What's the point?  My eyesight isn't actually that good :-)
>
> Mine neither... from my low-fi perspective, anything up to ~full hd (1920x1080) was a noticeable improvement, but e.g. going to 4K on a 43" screen does not feel any better... 
> My comment was driven mostly by the observation that we are at a stage where (at the forefront of deployment) we make rates available far beyond what is necessary, e.g. in Switzerland xgspon which is marketed as up to 10 Gbps per user. The only things so far are 'more parallel' and 'faster downloads',  so the 80 Mbps streaming is novel in a sense even though of arguable utility.

heh, back in college (mid 90's) my least favorite instructor (Advanced 
Networking) class told us that there would soon be so much bandwidth available 
that nobody would know what to do ith it and it would be up to us to invent new 
uses.

that struck me as being extremely short sighted even then.

David Lang

Re: [Bloat] 80Mbit streaming

[Michael Richardson]

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Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
    > On 5 October 2023 21:53:55 CEST, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
    > wrote:
    >> Sebastian Moeller via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Now
    >> finally, a use case that needs at least a ~100Mbps link... question >
    >> is, how much better than the competitors streaming this is going to >
    >> look?
    >>
    >> What's the point?  My eyesight isn't actually that good :-)

    > Mine neither... from my low-fi perspective, anything up to ~full hd
    > (1920x1080) was a noticeable improvement, but e.g. going to 4K on a 43"
    > screen does not feel any better...  My comment was driven mostly by the

One can stream monster resolutions across very high latency/bloated links.

Meanwhile, my new-this-year Roku enabled TV crashes if I change the volume
while Netflix or Prime or Disney is in the process of starting the stream.

I'm at a loss to understand why TVs don't come with cameras, or at least
support some wide variety of USB webcams.  It seems obvious to me that they
should be videophones.... but that requires low-latency networks and
low-latency wifi.  (My TV supports one USB-Ethernet device, but not one I
happened to have around)

So why doesn't Sony do this with their PS4/PS5?



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